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Tuesday 1 June 2004, by You Know Who : Illyria/Spike spin-off hell yer!!! They are the best 2 characters in Angel and Spike was the best ever character in Buffy. If there is a spin-off about them it will be the best television show ever to be shown! Hopefully this will happen but all we can do is hope...Tuesday 1 June 2004, by mike : that’s barely enough to merit a "joss whedon new spinoffs!!!" title when it’s just someone hoping for one.Tuesday 1 June 2004, by Galen : Pretty much yeah. Those are definitely the two characters I’d like to see more of the most.Tuesday 1 June 2004, by Anonymous : Im all for the spin off with Spike and Illyria matter a fact Id love that Wednesday 2 June 2004, by Soule : I loved Spike as a character, but fear it would be very hard to do a spinoff with him without it turning into Angel but with Bleached hair. But that said I have faith in Joss Whedon and suspect alhtough I have doubts he could probably pull it off Wednesday 2 June 2004, by Please don’t hate me... : Great article. Lots of good points made besides that ’spin off’ angle..... Hamilton was so much a WB suit and was so in need of what he got from Angel. I’m with the shanshu/Connor line. Angel did say Connor was his destiny, therefore his hope for the future. I have to admit I was one of those who didn’t like Connor much in season 4, please take that as a compliment all the Vincent fans. He’s a great actor and has proved it again this season showing us the ’balanced’ Connor. An apt ending I thought, having Connor save Angel from Hamilton like he did. Now that’s a thought, why not have a spin off with Connor???? I’m one person who would never watch Dark Shadows if it was the last show on TV!!! I know A girl in question upset a few very vocal ppl but what the heck, I needed a laugh. The phrase, "can’t live with ’em can’t live without ’em" come to mind when I think of the Buffy V Angel V Spike story and having Darla and Dru also go doe eyed over the immortal too really gave those boys an inferiority complex to die for. And that scooter ride and the leather jacket!!! rotflol. Yes it was very silly and way out there but I still love you Joss..... The vocal Spike fans make me laugh though. He was a great addition to the show, I’ve always loved the way he was written, Spike was so in your face but come on, James is getting way to old to front another spin off guys.... ducking behind the sofa.... let me clarify that ... In any other series I’d say fantastic, James is a supper actor but for a character who isn’t supposed to age? Come on, how long a ’life’ (sorry) are we looking at for this new show? Excuse the pun but any spin off needs some young blood. Spike didn’t do what he was brought into the mix for this year as far as ratings are concerned, it would be a big gamble to make him a lead on another show IMHO. My vote would still go to Connor. I loved Lorne’s moments with Lindsey. I can understand how shocked ppl were at Lindsey’s death but the show needed some shock appeal and the deaths of Lindsey and especially Wesley give the finale an edge it would have lacked otherwise. Whoever in the audience thought about Wesley’s watcher arc was spot on there. His ’protection’ and ’kindness’ towards Illyria were the characteristics that made him perfect for the role of a watcher. He tried so hard to guide her through her transition into this world when others were quick to judge her motives harshly. Only his connection to Fred enabled him to do that in a believable manner. I think Illyria had and still has a lot to offer, Joss and his writers are still the master of story telling in my book. As for the ’fragmented images of masculinity’.... there is some truth to that, the tone this season has been different, but the key moments of the season revolved around two central female characters deaths, Cordelia and Fred. The show portrayed each of the male characters dealing with the death of these two in very different ways, hence the fragmentation, therefore allowing us all to empathise or find some common ground with them somewhere. Joss showed he was particularly good at this theme before on Buffy with Joyce’s death and Tara’s. Also Angel and Spike’s season 5 arc with Buffy, Darla and Dru made for some interesting images. I loved the way those two bounced off/attacked/held hands with each other. LOL I’m sad its all over but happy with the ending. Angel fighting the dragon, what a great image. Does Gunn die? NEVER!! I’ll go hide behind the sofa again now...... Thursday 3 June 2004, by Anonymous : Absitively! And if JM starts to age, Spike can just Shansu and continue as a human hero :) Amazingly for such a late addition, Illyria is easily my favorite character now :) AA deserves an stack of Emy’s for her work as Illyria, and Illyria deserves one for her work as Fred :) Friday 4 June 2004, by Anonymous : The spin off idea would be awsome, the chemestry they had together in "Power Play". The age thing with James would be an issue, he’s 41 now he’s not going to look young forever. The shansu would seem to be their only way around that, and it would piss alot of Angel fans off. But you never know with Joss, he always has far out ideas. A conner Spin off would have the same issue as a Dawn one, alot of people are annoyed by their charecters. I’d still like to see something more with Illyria. Her story seems far from over, and I’m left hopeing that Fred would surface again.Friday 4 June 2004, by Will : I think a spinoff using Spike/Illyria/Gunn and featuring Conner, or even adding him in there would be good, and there are many ways that Joss could work it so that it wasn’t just ’Angel with bleached hair.’ Could possibly add in or guest star a buffy character or two. Just a thought.Friday 4 June 2004, by Anonymous : I like the idea of a Spike/Ilyria spin-off actually possibly with Gunn along for the ride. JM’s age is an issue but they could Shanshu or even kill him after a bit after the show had found an audience. Another possibility is a show based around Lorne, who has after all run off into the ether possibly linking him up with Groo as the muscle I always did wonder what had happened to Groo. Wonder what AD thinks about Wes being killed off BTW?Friday 4 June 2004, by Lauren : I would just like 2 say that any spin off with Connor, Illyria , spike or Dawn is an excellent idea. WHY CANT WE HAVE A SPIN OFF WITH WILLOW ??? Tonight I watched the last episode of angel S5 I was actually in tears when wesley died I just am finding it so upsetting that these characters (people) that have become so real to me have been taken away so unjustly and with out giving us the fans who have come to love them no say in it!!!Saturday 5 June 2004, by Wolverine68 : I disagree with the save-angel campaign mirroring the end of Angel, in the sense that you fight even though you know it will be hopeless. 1st off, the campaign worked the 1st time. And efen though not successful the 2nd time, it probably showed the WB what a mistake they made. (Dark Shadows has now been cancelled. Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be because the WB knows they just lost it’s accult audience? You think?) 2nd, the battle the Angel and company have to face once the camera stopped rolling on the series finale is not a hopeless cause. A-They have a very stratigic place to fight. (The alleyway limits how many foes can attack them, and retreat can be made through the Hyperion.) B-They have The super storng Illyria, and the still super charged Angel (off Hamilton’s blood). C-If they divide the task right, the battle can be won. Sunday 6 June 2004, by paladin : Excelent point, Wolverine68. I would like to believe that with Angel’s new power and Illyria, they could have beaten those odds. Sunday 6 June 2004, by WillowRocks! : I have to agree with the one who said about WILLOW’S spin-off!!I absolutely adore Alyson Hannigan!!And Illyria has become my favourite in "ANGEL"!!Everybody wanted her to become Fred again & I was like: "Please let her stay like this!!"LOL!Amy was so much better as Illyria.So a spin-off with her would rock!As far as Spike goes I liked him in "Angel".As long as he’s not with Buffy he’s cool.Thy just don’t click together..Anyway..Monday 7 June 2004, by Anonymous : nearly any spinoff with any charactors from the show would be gr8 it would have all the fans of buffy and angel going to them some spinoff ideas spike and Illyria - most likely connor vs hellmouth college - very unlikly willow and kennedy - very unlikely dawn - hope not lorne in pileya angelus darla spike and dru in the old days before angel got a soul they have loads of flash backs why not make a full show for angel to survive make a super episode Angel Illyria Spike and maybe Gunn fighting for there live take on loads kill the 1st wave off then the 2nd wave off bad guys arrives and the dragons still alive then boom the slayers who’v been watching them jump down into the alley Gunns old crew drive up from behind dark willows floating in the middle zaps the darggon just think super Angel,Illyria,spike,gunn,buffy with the sie,20+slayers,gunns crew,willow,possibley riley andthe millatry,andrew could summon some demons to help,endless backup Monday 7 June 2004, by Anonymous : James’ age really should not matter at this point the man is 41 and looks pretty darn good to me. seems like he is blessed in the aging department, heck if it meant i’d get to see spike in action James can get a face lift or a little botox for all i care!!LOL..... i say bring on the spin offs and hurry Cuz i am already aching for some good JOSS TV especially the demony kind !!!!!!!!!! WHEDONVERSE ROCKS!!!!!!!!!! Please dont leave out Gunn or Lorne or Conner or.....mabey i should stop cuz i am gonna list the whole cast ;0)!Tuesday 8 June 2004, by El Steve : I think a Spike and Andrew show would be perfect. Throw in a slayer and youre set. The match is perfect. you have Spike and Andrew (think Buffy Season 7 with the friend onion convo)and a fairly straight laced, up tight slayer with a heart of gold (wesley on Buffy season 3), set it somewhere like Las Vegas so that the city itself becomes a character (this happened in early seasons of Angel but eventually LA just became a transition scene) and youve got a great show.Friday 11 June 2004, by Cordy : Why Spike can get what he wants without punishment and torture?Why Angel had to suffer too much,but still can’t get what he wants?There is no justice in Joss’ world!Fine!Destroy the buffy/angel verse!Kill both buffy and angel!Joss,if you can’t make them live togehter,just let them die together!let them become the next Romeo & Juliet!!!!!Give Spike his own show,I won’t watch it any way!!!Friday 11 June 2004, by EventHorizon : I’m all for the Spike/Illyria spin off. It’s true, James doesn’t look exactly the way he did when he joined the show... you know what- niether does David. I was more than willing to ignore David’s aging, and I’m willing to ignore James’. What’s funny though, is that James has changed in apperance less than David has- perhaps because when a person is younger, there’s a spurt they go through sometimes, and since James is older, it’s a little slower right now. Nah, I think I’d agree with him when he says he’d be able to pull it off for another 5 years or so... which is long enough for a series as long as it’s planned out right. (Babylon 5 from the begining was a 5 season arc.) I also have faith in both James and Joss that it would not be an "Angel with bleached hair" show. Angel was completely different than Buffy- which is why I ended up being a fan of it first. In his own show, Spike’s character will end up developing even more- which is a good thing, but he would never be like Angel. He might understand him a little more, and might actually start to like him a little more- but he’d never be like him. He already respects him, though he’d never admit it. In the 100th ep, Cordy had said something like "You said this guy was a hero?" (Or something like that) and Spike’s face lit up and he said something like "You said that?" in a happy-ish/proud tone. So Angel has been an influence, one way or another, in Spike- but it hasn’t changed him into Angel yet, and I don’t think it ever will... even if they did go back to the "Helping the helpless" like Spike was trying to do for Lindsey- it was definitely done with a Spike flare to it- not like Angel at all... further proof I think that a Spike show would be nothing like Angel... I think him yelling at the girl in the alley shows that while Spike might be doing the same sort of thing Angel should be doing... they are, and never will be really alike. These comments are an anwser to this article : Slayage Conference - Joss Whedon New Spinoffs !!!
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