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  • Luckiest woman on the face of the earth. We finally see her. I’m not jealous. Nope. Although, I’m noticing a trend with the girls he goes out with. -runs off to darken hair-

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  • Wow, these pics really look like private pics. I wonder how they got online, or who did he manage to piss off so much as to make her/him want to post these photos on the net.

    Had I been in whedon.info shoes I wouldn’t have posted them.

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  • is he with her now ? ugh. i hate her just cause shes with him !!

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  • What are you thinking James ?! There are billions of BEAUTIFUL girls in this world who would give anything for you ! And you pick this woman ? I dont know about everyone else, but personally I think she is very ugly and not attractive at all.

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  •  :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Drowning in tears...

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  • Wow !!!!I finally get to see James Marsters Girlfriend.And her name is Patricia..Good name..shes very pretty and they look wonderful together.....great photos....Thanx

    Voir en ligne : >james Marsters and girlfriend Patricia-Musc.Events_Medium Quality Photos

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  • OOOOHHHHHHH how sweet ........ how old is she ? 23 ?

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  • So she`s the german gal he sings about ......

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  • she`s not that pretty and looks very young but if he`s happy with her..

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  • for some reason, she just doesn’t look very nice/interesting/good for JM to me. yeah yeah, blah blah, "none of my business." whatever.

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  • Patricia who ? Is she in the biz ?

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  • FINE ! I’ll start....yeah, so....ok....So this means we all might have a chance at him too ? > :)

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  • They look good together. I hope they’re happy ! The beach one reminds me of Buffy and Angel :D

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  • These photos are kind of stalker-ish.

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  • She’s SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hot !!! Too hot for James !

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  • they make a beautiful couple. He looks happy. Good. he deserves it. but...Damn ! *g*

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  • She looks nice but....I am so jealous !!!

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  • Oh, so that’s who the song is about (Civilized Man, ’Patricia’)... Makes me wonder how ’Katie’ is involved. :)

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  • I think he looks way freakin’ better with Gellar !

    I bet when he’s doing love to his German gal he thinks ’bout Gellar. No doubt !

    How could he ? Oh, my ! Since he likes gals with darker hair, he must think Gellar looks majorly hot now, y’know, that she’s brunette !

    It’s all connected !

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  • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos

    12 avril 2006 23:38, par Pastiche of the ’Shades of Grey’
    There are enough similarities in their facial features to suggest a good match, but is anyone else picking up on the body language ? She seems very confident in his affection for her, but she’s maintaining a certain aloofness in all the photos... Maybe she’s just private about the way she feels for him but, James strikes me as a ‘passionate, I love you, I want the world to know’ kinda guy. And previous posts are right about the ‘type’. Long brunette hair and delicate features, me thinks James remembers what he used to look like in a previous life and is projecting a little. Like he quoted, “It’s better to have loved and lost...” I hope they’re happy, I hope it lasts, I hope he knows that there are people out there that care about his happiness.

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  • Be well and happy. Love the fantasies, pictures, websites, and ALL YOUR WORK ! Thank-you ! Blessed be, Mistress Marie

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  • I think she’s butt ugly.............

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  • I think she is a bit of a cow !! He has written a new song called ’finer than gold’ about her where he bought her a yellow gold necklace and she gave it back saying that yellow gold didn’t suit her skin !!!

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  • I am now crushed ..... lol !!! James O James .... what are you thinking honey ? I read the one comment of how the gold did not suit her skin type * sounds very cold on her part. This man is a total babe and yet he has chosen this Patricia to be by his side and yet all she cares about is herself. Thats too cold for a hottie like James. Anyhoo * I hope he finds a woman worthy of all the special gifts he has to offer and treasure him. I am keeping my opinion about how the girlfriend looks but I will say this .... he deserves soooooo much better !!! Conciet and being shallow are two attributes I don’t see James putting up with for more then a hour. Oh and psst James ( I’m a brunette ) and anything coming from you would look good on me.

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  • These pictures look photoshopped....

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  • Those pictures look like a little girl hanging on to her dad....okay, I’m going back into lurkdom. lol

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  • What a lucky girl.....I am so jealous of her.

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  • Hahahahha, some of these comments make me laugh and I so agree on, they don’t look suited. She looks like shes saying oo look at me I’m with James look at me look at me.....bah ! Attention seeking cow lol. He can do better, alot better. And ain’t a couple of his g/f been non dark ?

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  • How long have they been together ? And how long do you think it will last ? he isn’t getting any younger..but he keeps getting hotter. She is exotic pretty, but I’m not a big fan of her nose..or her at all honestly. :D

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  • I heard that she ’s only 19, and they met when she was 17 ! He is old enough to be her dad for god sake !

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  • Eww. Yuck...and an ick ! He got "THAT" with rock-n-roll ? Must’ve been desperate. She is not the least bit pretty or attractive. She’s a wench ! And the fact that she threw the necklace he got her for her birthday in his face because it didn’t suit her skintone doesn’t help her case at all in my book. And anyone who tries to tell me that he said she graciously accepted the gift so I should back off should remember the song ’Finer Than Gold’. If she accepted it, why’d he write the appologetic little ditty ? Selfish, ugly, arrogant and smug little brat that one is. Patricia’s beneath James. Where’s Helena ?

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  • Has anyone ever noticed how many of his songs are about women. Valerie, Katie, Robyn, Patricia. who are these lucky ass women ?

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  • she’s not that ugly... I think they look sweet together. get over it.

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  • another tasty piece of meat off the market... =(

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  • Ok, I’m getting sick of reading these posts from people commenting on their relationship without even knowing them personally ! I’ve seen both of them together in person and they look great together ! They seem incredibly inlove and Patricia... well, she’s very beautiful ! You guys should’ve seen her in that outfit she wore that night... damn !!! She’s also very classy and very smart, so I don’t understand all these mean things you guys are writing about her. Is it because you’re jealous ? The important thing is that they’re both happy and they are. Oh and those private pics that are posted on here were stolen from a private blog/website and if anyone can tell me how to report that, that would be great.

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  • I pity you. Don’t you have lives of your own. You are just fans and I doubt even this because if you were you would respect his private choices. By the way his girlfriend looks very beautiful and they siut wonderfully as a couple, I saw them once in real life. She looks really mature and you’d never guess that James is beyond his forties. The fact that James is able to chose between masses of beautiful girls and women supports the fact that she looks amazing. You say that you are fans but at the same time you say that his girlfriend exploits him. So do you think that James is a smart guy or a dork ? Get some therapy bitches cause it seems that you need it ! By then, gotta live My life ! Oh and Gellar looks like an ugly bat and this girl looks like the total opposite of her, luckily !

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  • To the two posters above me ; An Opinion From The Y Chromosome :

    1. According to James, he met Patricia backstage at a GoTR show in Germany around 2004. She took his number down one digit wrong and roadies cleared his pockets out, tossing her number in the trash. Now, if he really liked her at that point, wouldn’t he have made sure that her number was kept in a safer place ? Wouldn’t he have made sure that she got his number right ? NO ! Instead, he goes about living his life for six months (even rumored that he was going as far as to sleep with another fan in Amsterdam shortly after meeting Patricia) while she’s at home in Germany trying all the different combinations of his phone number. Yes ! He’s so in love....(gag). Hello ! He’s a man ! If any of you ladies on here know anything about men it’s that we’ll tell you anything to get your panties to hit the floor !

    FACT IS : She was just a fan girl like the rest of these girls/ladies/women posting here ! He met her during a time when he was nefarious for having one night stands with his fans. Though, the effort she put into reaching him must have been appealing to James.

    2. How the H-E-double hockey stick are we supposed to know if she’s nice or not ? It’s not like she makes any effort to appear friendly to anyone. Not like she has to, but, honestly, the way she goes about acting at fan conventions, it’s easy to see how someone might see her as smug. She doesn’t smile (maybe she’s shy or maybe she has bad teeth, who knows), it’s rumored that she starts fights with him at fan conventions because he (GASP !) spends way too much time with his fans. DEFINE THE IRONY !! None of his other girlfriends acted that way.

    FACT IS : She may be nice, but, her way of showing it, even in an impersonal setting isn’t enough to convince anyone. Though, this is one of James’ more longer relationships, he may be happy. Hopefully he is. I’m rootin’ for the dude.

    3. Real Fans wouldn’t go about picking apart their fave celeb’s choice of partner ? What alternate reality are you living in ?

    FACT IS : If you love someone and don’t want to see them get hurt, you’re going to voice your opinion about something their doing, am I right ? It doesn’t mean a lack of respect. It means you care ! It’s his personal choice, and he don’t give a rat’s behind about what anyone says, but, that doesn’t mean his fans can’t voice their opinions about it. Positive or not. I highly doubt he needs the two of you policing the boards for him. He’s got a publicist for that.

    4. They’re uber-happy and oh so in love ? Let’s hope so, considering it’s been rumored she’s dumped him three times already because of his spending way too much time with fans, his crappy demeanor whenever they’re together and beautiful actresses. (I would have ditched her and never looked back.) Break-up/Make-up relationships hardly constitute happiness, unless you’re in highschool. It constitutes the fact that there is something WRONG in the relationship ! It also means that the person doing the breaking up and making up is highly immature and unable to deal with adult relationships in a mature and responsible manner.

    FACT IS : In October of last year, James told People Magazine that he hopes Patricia can stick it out a little longer to get to know the real him. Now, are those the words of a man who is in love and secure with the stability of his relationship or a man who knows it’s not going to work out ? All’s well in paradise, huh......

    5. We’re all just jealous fans don’t have lives of our own ? Well, I can’t speak for everyone, but, I have a pretty impressive scheduel.

    FACT IS : I’m a 26 year old, MALE law major at University of Michigan Law School in Ann Arbor, Mi, I am a member of the Sierra Student Coalition, The Student Animal Legal Defense Fund and the Environmental Law Society. I am a shift manager at Red Lobster (a dude’s got to make a living, right ?). I spend most of my free time that isn’t devoted to school, work or my extra-curricular activities partaking in the arts in and around the Ann Arbor-area, I like to discuss politics over a good brew with my friends at local pubs, take in movies, walk my dogs through the park and cuddle with my girlfriend. When I’m not doing this, I like to read, paint, play my guitar and watch football and Nascar. But, when I’m not in the mood to do any of the above mentioned, I like to come on here, where,unfourtunately, I have to read the excrement pouring from the keyboards of people like you. It’s almost as if you people have nothing better to do with your time than troll the boards looking for fights with other posters. (Please do not tell me you’re not trolls. If you weren’t, your names wouldn’t be ’Anonymous’ and you’d have no problem sharing your identity with the rest of us. Common sense, people.) I ask, who then, needs a life ? So, I’m not jealous. I haven’t the time for it, really. James isn’t my type. I like spunky, little red-heads.

    As for James and Patricia, I hope they are happy, but, if the rumors are true, (which every rumor has an element of truth to it, or else it could not have been created), then, they need to split ways. No good has ever come from a negatively charged relationship. It always leads to heartache.

    *Oh, and coming from one of the guy’s only male fans, she’s not that attractive and her overall demeanor in these pictures are enough to make me want to stay away from her. My prospective ladies have to smile and laugh or I pay them no mind. Looking smokin’ hot in an evening gown just isn’t enough.

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  • oh my god, don’t you have anything else to do but analyse this man’s love life. Leave him alone. Seems like there are enough bitter people in this world who need to destroy the happiness of another. Even if you don’t consider his girl to be that pretty, well, then that must mean she’s got more to offer, right ? Like personality for example, charme, witt... As said already above, James has alot of girl to choose from and he chose her. That must mean something... so again... get over it ! =)

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  • Oh ! Thank you, Mike, for the biography of your lovely “successful” live. As if, anyone ever stopped to actually care. As to the two ditz above mister highly impressive Mike, I don’t know what the hell you two are talking about. Are you Marsters’ personal Spy ? Or maybe Marsters probably told you everything that you just mentioned in your ports, ’cause your his best buddies. Give me a break ! And you don’t even should start to dare call Gellar ugly. She is the most beautiful woman -in my opinion- that I have ever seen. And I’ve always considered her to be an exceptionally intelligent woman. Truth be told, Marsters would be lucky to date her. He even mentioned in an interview once that it would be like dream to date Gellar ; just to show you a glimpse of what he actually thinks of her, and how shitless wrong you are to call her those things. And, as far as I’m concerned, everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, so shut your mouths and go drool over someone else with your stalker-ish ways and play freakin’ know-it-all and board-police somewhere else.

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  • He does not just date brunettes. James dated Alyson, she was an actress, she played the Pink Powerranger role. And she was BLONDE. And she was also very pretty. But I guess this is kinda cool huh ? It seems like James dates anyone. That means even I have a chance. I’m a blonde fangirl who’s about 115 lbs, 17 years old, and 5’5’’. Maybe I should go backstage at one of his concerts and get "close" to him. Then someday you might be looking at photos on here of James and myself. lmao but its still funny that he likes young girls...a little too young for his 43 year old self.

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  • Hey Anonymous girls, if you know Patty and James, maybe you should tell them that him dating someone young enough to be his daughter is just gross, and although it is really none of anybodys buisness what he does, It made alot of people I’ve talked to lose respect for him. I mean come on what can they possibly have in common except the obvious. and she was like 9 when his SON was born *shudders*

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  • Your his fans and your riping his girlfriend apart,SOMEONE HE LOVES.He has feelings love you James-Kiwi D.B Fan So MaD !!!!!!!! hope he don’t see this.

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  • These pictures are private... posted by one of her "friends" in another forum on December/January. James got angry with these pics.

    Patricia R. is only 20 (born *1986).

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  • i think we can say whatever we want in my opinion i think he can do better espesicaly if she gets mad everytime he is spending time with fans i bet she is a gold digger but whatever and people stop telling people to shut up its not are business but he can type or say whatever we want ok

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  • i think you all have some problems with your own selfconfidence judging a woman you’ve never talked to just because youre jealous or whatever. this is no rat race. you wont be able to change anything about the fact that they are a couple and obviously in love and happy together. so piss off

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  • wow someone is taking this personally, lol

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  • A couple really. Him in california, her in Germany. It sounds more like a convienence for him, not really a relatioship at all

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  • The relationship is already dead. Patty’s immaturity and pushiness has seen to that. She’s too young and obsessed to realise that while he may have shagged her, he’s never let her into his life and never will.

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  • If they are so in love, why is she still in Germany or rather right now she is in Oz ? I don’t see this relationship going the distance as in marriage because he has made it quite clear that he does not need a wife. I mean, come on. Why buy the cow when you can get it for free ?

    I don’t know the girl at all. I know that what I have seen and what I have heard from other fans that she oviously is so very insecure in their relationship and his attentions that she gets offensive and rude. She should try to be a bit more friendly to his fans. They can make or break him. Without them, his career could go into the trash. Fans are an integral part of his job. He has to depend on them to buy his DVD’s, his CD’s, go to cons to see him and buy merchandise. This is something that she seems to not understand.

    The girl that says she has seen them together, well, good for you. But, personally, Miss Patricia is not the most beautiful girl in the world and why does she not wear her glasses ? Is there some reason for that ? I am not a jealous fan at alll. I want James to be very happy in his life but I don’t see it happening with this very young, insecure, delusional girl. Grow up, Patty. Find a nice German man to marry and have babies with. I don’t think it is going to happen with this man that is probably your father’s age.

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  • re : above : weird post !!!! Why does anybody care who he dates, (although the young thing is creepy) but all his girlfriends have been very young, nothing speacial about this one

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  • wow. he looks very happy. I think she seems sweet. Jealous ? Of course I am ! If he thinks she is pretty, he should try a swedish girl some time ;) No but really. He seems to be happy with her so I’m happy for him. No matter how jealous I am.*growl* :P

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  • These could of course be promotional shots for one thing or another. Should it be the real thing, then I hope that they are really happy together, as being with an actor or actrice is not the easiest thing in the world. I wish them all the happiness in the world.

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  • WOW people get your own life !!! He is just an actor on tv. you do know that right ? He is an adult and i am sure he is capable of making his own decisions....

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  • To Spuffyfreak : Gellar is now to old for James

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  • She can have James. I want Tom Welling.......

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  • After reading through all these posts and as a huge fan of all things Whedonesque and a devoted JM groupie, I feel I really need to add my two cents worth.

    I went to a convention last year that James attended and he more or less told a room full of women (aged in their teens and up) that he personally didn’t consider anyone who is mature (ie 30’s and up) attractive or desirable. In my opinion he really fell a couple of steps off of his proverbial pedastal at that point. I think it is so sad that a "man" his age feels the need to be with "girls" her age to hold on to his youth. I am the same age as him and my son’s friends are the same age as her and the thought of anything happening between me and one of those "boys" is downright creepy. My daughter is a year older than her and if she came home with a boyfriend his age my husband would go postal.

    I have also met this girl at one of his concerts last year and she was sullen and rude. Although I certainly didn’t consider her to be unattractive, quite the opposite in fact, her immaturity was obvious by the way she would ’roll her eyes’ when his fans would make comments that she felt threatened by or when James would flirt with somebody. James also acts very differently when she is in the audience, not quite as flirtatious or animated, probably for fear of incurring her wrath later which I have been told does happen by someone who worked behind the scenes at one of the conventions they were both at.

    Don’t get me wrong, I adore James and have followed him to many of his appearances (okay that just sounds stalkerish doesn’t it ?) but I’m afraid the fascination is beginning to wane. By the way, the conventions I attend are mainly for the huge circle of friends I have made and whose friendship I truly value. And please, don’t think that for one minute that I think I would have a chance with him or I am "jealous". I just think that it is time for some people to get over their mid-life crisis and maybe focus on their future. What do you suppose will happen when he turns 50 and she’s still a young woman in her 20’s ? Or maybe when his son turns 18 and she’s still in her 20’s ?

    I have really tried to remain objective about all of this but I’m afraid my maturity and common sense is winning. Perhaps James’ will also come to light or else Patricia’s will fully develop. I really wish them both what is best. :-)

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  • Even if a man does indeed feel that women over thirty are undesirable it is surely immense folly to admit it. Having read much of JM’s political views and other such serious matters I am disinclined to take him for a fool. Perhaps he does have a proclivity for younger women however I doubt that his obvious intelligence would allow him to voice any disdain of "older" women in public. As regards the remaining comments, some people are worryingly obsessed !

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  • I think James must really love Patricia. She’s not beautiful and doesn’t have a good figure. In LA, no one would look at her twice. She’s in Germany and he lives in LA where he is in constant contact with the world’s most beautiful women and I’m just talking when he goes to the grocery store, not when he’s on set filming. Patty is average looking.

    While I do think James feels more comfortable with young girls and that’s part of Patty’s charm, I also think he fell in love with what is inside of her, because otherwise the relationship wouldn’t have lasted, as she’s not all that pretty.

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  • [quote] Perhaps he does have a proclivity for younger women however I doubt that his obvious intelligence would allow him to voice any disdain of "older" women in public.[/quote]

    As intelligent as James is, he did indeed give an entire audience of middle-aged women a lecture on the male biological imperative. Not only saying that he found women over 30 unattractive, but that it is instinctive in ALL men to find women over 30 unattractive, and that they will always go after the younger woman. He did this at a private Q & A, at the Houston Vulkon in 2005. Personally, I think he was trying to justify his own behavior ; since his divorce he has consistently dated women half or more than half his age. Patricia was 17 years old when they met, backstage at a GotR gig ; I believe he was 41 at the time.

    Some guy named "Mike" posted above—I thought it was brilliant ! You go Mike !

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  • "Perhaps he does have a proclivity for younger women however I doubt that his obvious intelligence would allow him to voice any disdain of "older" women in public."

    As intelligent as James is, he did indeed make, somewhat, negative comments about older women in public. It was at a private Q & A, at the Houston Vulkon in 2005. In a room filled with about 100 middle-aged women, he proceeded to give us a lecture on the male biological imperative. Stating that not only he found women over 30 unattractie, but that ALL men found women over 30 unattractive, and would always be attracted to the younger women. James lost a number of fans that night.

    Personally, I believe he was trying to justify his own behavior as, since his divorce, he has consistently dated women who are half, or more then half his age. Patricia was 17 when they first hooked up ; I believe he was 41 at the time.

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  • Thank you so much for the back-up JUNIE. I was at the same convention in Houston when I heard the comment and was fairly certain I didn’t misinterpret his meaning. And yes, he did lose fans from that careless comment. In fact the whole diatribe on biological propensities of "all men" was insulting to his gender and was rather bizarre.

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  • No problem, LJE. He said what he said, there’s no denying it.

    Quoting LJE : "I have also met this girl at one of his concerts last year and she was sullen and rude. Although I certainly didn’t consider her to be unattractive, quite the opposite in fact, her immaturity was obvious by the way she would ’roll her eyes’ when his fans would make comments that she felt threatened by or when James would flirt with somebody. James also acts very differently when she is in the audience, not quite as flirtatious or animated, probably for fear of incurring her wrath later which I have been told does happen by someone who worked behind the scenes at one of the conventions they were both at."

    Apparently we are in agreement here. I can’t say that I’ve met Patricia, but, I have seen her at a couple of James’ events. Sullen and rude are very appropriate words to describe her. I would also add, aloof and smug. But really, what can we expect, she acts immature because she is immature. She’s just turned 20, this past April. She’s barely out of her teens. She has so much to learn about life, love, and responsibility. It is unfortunate that James acts differently when she’s around, but it’s true. I’d like to know how someone so young and immature could have him so whipped ? In any case, as long as they live on separate continents, and, as long as she doesn’t want any committment from him, I see this lasting a while.

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  • that messed up what he said so is he going to dump her when she gets to thirty and go for a younger girl if they last that long ?

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  • Yeah she seems kinda insecure on conventions. Only in the Mermaid theatre, I said in the row right behind her : she seemed quit free, cheering and applauding and all... She even talked to some of the fans... well anyway, I guess noone knows what she’S really like. Does anybody know any friends of hers ?

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  • By the time she is 30 I don’t think we’re going to have to worry about it. :D

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  • I’m really saddened to hear that James made those comments about mature women at the Huston Con. in ’05. I only met the man once but I never thought that he was that shallow. And to assume to speak for ALL men is just the height of arrogance.

    I truly hope that this was all a misinterpretation of his words because up until now I really liked the guy. Now... I just don’t know.

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  • I bet James could have bitten off his tongue after he said those remarks about older women. I think he just is trying to justify why he prefers to dates girls who are eighteen (and Patricia had just turned 18 when they met, I have heart this for a fact, he met her at the GotR concert right after her 18th birthday) instead of women who are even in their late 20s or early 30s.

    I think he is a very nice man who happens to be very insecure and girls this age make him feel better about himself.

    Stuff he has said in the past make me think he thinks the real James is kind of boring and it’s much easier to fool someone who is as young and immature as Patty is (and she is very immature for someone who is 20 ; from what I’ve heard she really kicked up a fuss about that stupid necklace). At the same time, Patty seems to call on the shots in the relationship.

    I wish James would go back to therapy and get to the root of his problem with women. Maybe he just needs to finally forgive his mother instead of holding on to his anger and then he can move forward in his life instead of making the same mistake over and over.

    I wish someone would tell him that’s just how 18 year old girls behave.

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  • "I truly hope that this was all a misinterpretation of his words because up until now I really liked the guy. Now... I just don’t know."

    There was no misinterpretation of his words. He was very specific with what he was saying. As I mentioned before, he upset a lot of women that day, some of which dropped out of his fandom. I have always been of the opinion that James has issues with women, which I think is quite evident with his attraction to women just out of their teen years. I’m a 50+ year old myself, yet, I don’t hold his attitude against him ; he’s still a remarkable actor and performer. James’ biggest problem is that he has a big mouth and opens himself up to his fans too much. Most fans don’t know nearly as much about other celebrities as they do about James. Some fans this is a great thing, until he says something that the fans don’t like or can’t deal with. By all means, you can continue to like him, just don’t plan on dating him, unless you’re between the ages of 17 and 20.

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  • Since originally reading the posts on this site regarding James Marsters comments on mature women at the Huston con. I have been searching the internet boards to see if anyone else has posted anything regarding these "supposed" comments. These comments bothered me and I wanted to see if there were any other posts to support them. And guess what ? I haven’t found anything. I’ve seen posts from people who attend almost all his cons and were in attendance at the Q&A in question and no one has mentioned him making such comments. I am beginning to highly doubt the varacity of the previous posts.

    Also, I can not believe that so called fans can post such horrendous comments regarding his girlfriend. While I don’t agree with the huge age difference, it is really none of my business, or anyone elses, who he chooses to date. While she may be young she is an adult and if they choose to be together that’s their business.

    We should be focusing on his talent as an actor not his personal life. He is not in this business to look for your approval of how he lives his life. How would you all like it if everything you did was posted on the internet for all the world to see ? If people were constantly trying to dig into your personal life ? If people who didn’t really know you interpreted everyting you said to try to determine what type of person you "really" were, and then used this hearsay info. to pretend to "know" you. None of us are perfect and under such conditions none of us would come out smelling like a rose. Everyone makes remarks and decisions they sometimes wish they hadn’t. So why do we hold celebrities up to a standard of perfection that we ourselves cannot obtain ?

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  • From Buffyfan44 : I have been searching the internet boards to see if anyone else has posted anything regarding these "supposed" comments....And guess what ? I haven’t found anything. I’ve seen posts from people who attend almost all his cons and were in attendance at the Q&A in question and no one has mentioned him making such comments.

    You haven’t been looking hard enough. You would have to go back to 2005 and seach out fan accounts of this Q & A. It was a "private" Q & A for those who paid extra for it. To my knowledge, there was never a transcript written up. Just because you don’t believe it happened doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It did, I was there, James said what he said. But, do feel free to disbelieve, no skin off my nose.

    From Buffyfan44 : Also, I can not believe that so called fans can post such horrendous comments regarding his girlfriend.

    Just because someone is a fan of James, does that mean they should automatically love his g/f ? Does that mean they should agree with everything he says and does ? Everyone has an opinion, who is it going to hurt if their opinion is expressed on this site ? So, only the horrendous comments bother you ? Why not the positive comments ? Although positive, they are still intrusive into James’ personal life.

    From Buffyfan44 : While she may be young she is an adult and if they choose to be together that’s their business.

    She was 17 when they met. In my mind, that’s still a child. Then again, I’ve very old.

    From Buffyfan44 : So why do we hold celebrities up to a standard of perfection that we ourselves cannot obtain ?

    Because that’s what fans do. It’s human nature. It happens in all fandoms. If James were an "A" list actor, all the comments that you’re reading here would be in print, in all sorts of tabloids. There would be reports on "Extra" and "Entertainment Tonight." What would you do then ? I’m sure James wouldn’t mind one bit. If he were an "A" list actor, he would want his name out there.

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  • Sorry to say this, but James’ whole act & thoughts are just a bit too pedophile.

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  • WHO CARES ?!!?!?!? It’s not going to change anything he’s doing. Let him do what he wants.

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  • James is not a pedophile. The girls he dates are of age. There is a big difference between dating someone who is 18 and sleeping with a child of 13.

    And while Patricia seems very immature even for someone who only turned 20, she must be very smart. It’s not easy to get into university in Germany, only the really good students can secure a place in their system. In fact, all of the young women James has dated seem bright and have their own interests.

    I do think Patricia has a crush on a celebrity and this makes me feel sad for James.

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  • I cant ever figure all you ppl out always looking for an excuse to cut some one down I saw James awhile back in downtown Santa Monica where indeed he was with an older woman who i might add he was quite friendly with.They were sharing food with each other and such... they had a small boy with them not sure who he was But if he doesnt care for older woman who and what was that.........At one time i even saw a quick kiss there......so back off fools

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  • I am from Germany and I have to say that you don`t have to be very bright to attend a university here. There are a lot of freaks who are studying and are utterly dumb. I don`t know Patricia, so no offence regarding here intelligence. A friend of mine is dating an guy over fourty and she is just 19. It is making me sick but if both are convinced that it is love, what should I do ? This is the great thing about love, that you cannot define it, it is coming from our hearts ! I think that the only person who should be allowed to judge this relationship is the son of James, if he likes her and still gets the attention by his dad that he deserves than everything is fine ! Now, because i agree with the other fans that someday this age difference won`t work out or he is going to be the next Hugh Hefner ! :-) Hopefully I did not made to many mistakes and it makes a certain sense ;-)

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  • Quoting devoted fan : " I saw James awhile back in downtown Santa Monica where indeed he was with an older woman who i might add he was quite friendly with.They were sharing food with each other and such... they had a small boy with them not sure who he was But if he doesnt care for older woman who and what was that........."

    Did you ever consider that this "older woman" was James’ ex-wife, and, the boy with them was their son ? It seems to me that, since his divorce, James hasn’t dated anyone (that we’re aware of) over the age of 25 ; I think one girl was actually 23 when then dated. Again, as far as the fans know, this 23 year old was the oldest James has dated since his divorce.

    I wouldn’t go as far as to say that James is a pedophile, but, there’s no denying that he does like his women very young ; just barely legal. Maybe a lot of it has to do with him likeing to be in control of his women ; he doesn’t want someone who’s independent and has a mind of her own. Seventeen to twenty year olds are more likely to look up to him, like a father figure, and do or be whatever he wants. Total speculation on my part.

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  • @ devoted fan : I think it was probably his ex-wife, Liane Davidson, an their son, Sullivan. If it was, then you were probably pretty lucky and you didn’t know it ; I’ve always wanted to see a picture of the little boy. ^º^

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  • the older woman he was with is probly his ex wife and his kid

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  • no the boy was younger than his son and called him james 2 or 3 times and i am definately sure it wasnt his ex wife have seen pics of her for the theater.

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  • oh my god shes ugly !!!and is only 20yrs old wow...i cant believe wot james is doin !! and if he gave me a necklace i would take it ! not say it does match my skin type...

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  • Can you tell us when this was ? I would love to think of James dating a woman in her late 20s or early 30s who has her own child. I think she would understand the demands of fatherhood and just be more understanding in general.

    I don’t know why James always goes for drama in his life. I think he’s a very smart man intellectually and a nice person but emotionally immature and he probably thinks the way Spike does about real love being all fireworks and passion and not about trust.

    I admit I dislike Patty who sounds like a real brat. I would love to hear at James’s upcoming event on the Queen Mary that he has found a woman who is in her late 20s at least. That would show he’s grown up some.

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  • I don’t think James picks these young girls because they’re easier to control because these young things always seem to be in charge. He’s mentioned changing his shoes because Helena didn’t like them and getting a tan over the summer,even thought Joss didn’t like it, because Helena didn’t like him so pale.

    Patricia completely rules his life, making him dance to her tune. Honestly I don’t know how a grown man could put up with a girl throwing a tantrum because he didn’t get her the right present.

    I think James lacks confidence and does date women who initially have crushes on him. None of the girls he’s dated have been shrinking violets. I heard Liz was a real bitca, always putting him down publicly when he said something a bit silly. And we all know James tends to have foot in mouth problems from time to time.

    All of James recent girlfriends have made the first move. I think James threw away Patricia’s number and deliberately gave her his wrong number. He was flattered when she tracked him down and took her crush as a serious feeling on her part.

    I feel bad that James doesn’t have enough confidence to date anyone he’s attracted to.

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  • i know her she is my neighbour nice girl very young

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  • THRILLED

    3 septembre 2006 19:40, par Kindra
    I am thrilled to death.........I was in a shop yesterday and turn around and smacked right into James........all i could do was say i was sorry..no other words would come out. He smiled and said no problem Then turn to the woman beside him and said "Give me your keys and lets boogy" I follow to catch one last look. He took her by the hand and they ran across the street they got into a red car..it had nebraska plates on could not catch the plate number to much traffic.......think guys who does he know in this state thats our mystery lady

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  • Quoting Jay : i know her she is my neighbour nice girl very young.

    Who do you know ? Patricia ? Yes, she’s young, but, can you tell us anything else about her ? From a lot of fan accounts she doesn’t seem like a very nice girl. She comes across as rather spoiled and bratty.

    Quoting Kindra : I was in a shop yesterday and turn around and smacked right into James........all i could do was say i was sorry..no other words would come out. He smiled and said no problem Then turn to the woman beside him and said "Give me your keys and lets boogy"

    Can you describe what this woman looked like ? Did she look very young ? Since Patricia is from Germany, is not likely that she would be driving a car with Nebraska plates.

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  • funny, how some people try to endorse rumours. just sayin.

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  • GOd, I’m relieved to find this forum. I thought I was the only one to dislike (being polite) patricia !’Cause on the conventions I attended everyone seemed to be thanking her ’for making James such a cheerful character again’... pah !

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  • Quoting wanda : "GOd, I’m relieved to find this forum. I thought I was the only one to dislike (being polite) patricia !’Cause on the conventions I attended everyone seemed to be thanking her ’for making James such a cheerful character again’... pah !"

    Cheerful character ?!?!?!? Have these people listened to the words of some of his songs ? They’re full of self-pity, angst, pathetic groveling and begging for forgiveness ! What I think Patricia has done for James is filled him with so much negative emotion that he’s writing more songs, but, not happy songs. She is his muse to write sad, bluesy type stuff. You say people were actually thanking Patricia ? Like actually going up and talking to her ???? Did she respond in any civilized or friendly way, or, did she maintain that smug look on her face, and ignore these people ? If you’re really interested in discussions about Patricia, you might want to check out a new Yahoo group called Marsters Sanctuary. I’m not sure of the link, but, if you can get onto Yahoo and do a search of their groups, you should find it. Trust me, there are many, many fans of James who really don’t like Patricia, it’s just that a lot of the James fan sites strongly discourage any discussions about James’ private life, and, his current g/f is considered part of his private life. Even though he freely talks about her and has had her accompany him to various fan events.

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  • Junie sure does like to quote ppl doesnt she..........beside some ppl take affense t being quoted and ya are right on one thing though if James wants the world to know who he is sleeping with let him say so lets not all of us just assume who it really is

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  • He said to his convention that his priority is raising his children & has no time to date. Well if I was the girlfriend I would be really sad to hear that.. look like she is just an "extra" in his life & he sees her when he wants, not something too serious.

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  • From what I’ve heard and read, it doesn’t sound like they are very happy together. James actually said, during his Q & A, that he would spend a month off with his kids, or, alone on a desert island. When asked if he would bring someone, at first he said "my girl friend" then he said "no, that would be good for a couple of days, then the fighting would start. Holy cow ! He admitted to an audience full of people that he’d rather be alone then spend any length of time with Patricia ! I really don’t know what to make of this relationship.

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  • Could be why he is seeking outside interests.............like the woman with a child who understands and keeps a low profile

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  • Thisis just the scariest most pathetic forum I’ve ever read in my long online life. JM fans worse than Harry Potter fandom ? I find it hard to believe, but it is so.

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  • I heard from his own lips that he has no time for dating. He is a single parent, sees his gf about once every 6 months for a couple of days and it is what it is. Nothing more. I don’t believe he has anything invested in this one and if he has another woman on the hook, good for him.

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  • If you want to read what convention attendees reported at the time James made those remarks about older women, follow the link below to find those reports.

    Voir en ligne : James on Older Women and the Biological Imperative

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  • Maybe James hang up with older women is limited to those who act old.........cause his present lady friend he has been seen with acts just like him open and friendly and full of life

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  • I’m not into the "rumor mill’ but I find it interesting that I’ve seen nothing on any of the fan boards about whether or not Patricia was sighted at the Queen Mary event, or if he made any mention of her. I’d love to think he has a real woman in his life, rather than a girl half his age.

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  • I was at the QM event and as far as I can remember, I didn’t hear anything mentioned about her except for the comment about taking something other than his girlfriend to a deserted island because they would probably fight too much. Also didn’t see her anywhere either.

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  • I think he has found comfort in a distance relation. James and this girl don’t live together and they fight ???!!. whoaw

    James doesn’t seem to understand that his relation with her will not work in the future. I have a distance relation : when we are together we don’t fight, we are sad because of the distance but there is no fight (we have bad temper ;-) ) and It is all the opposite ;-)

    There is currently distance but they should be apart if they fight when together. Sad but realty It is utopian to think that their relation will work.

    About these pictures They belong to Patricia. I don’t think Whedon has the authorization to share them. She shared her pics with one of her friends who put them on another forum.. ahah Some of you say that Patricia seems to be immature. Maybe. But for my part I don’t agree with you. In my opinion James is the only one immature in this relation. She is ONLY 20. She has the ’right’ to be immature ! Give her a break. James is 44, with children.. he should have thought with his head when he gave his number phone to a minor 2-3 years ago, a YOUNG fan blinded by his celebrity or his role of Spike who followed him in backstage and more if affinities. (irresponsible !!! there is another word for this kind of behavior...)

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  • Quoting Chiron : "I’m not into the "rumor mill’ but I find it interesting that I’ve seen nothing on any of the fan boards about whether or not Patricia was sighted at the Queen Mary event, or if he made any mention of her. I’d love to think he has a real woman in his life, rather than a girl half his age."

    You would’n read anything about Patricia on any of the fan boards because most of the fan boards prohibit talking about James’ personal life. Specifically any talk about his current g/f and the status of their relationship. If Patricia was on the Queen Mary, absolutely no one saw her. James was freely walking about the ship, either alone, with Steve, or, with a JMLive steward. I read on the Marsters Sanctuary Yahoo Group that James talked about Patricia at one of the dinner tables, and that he said he only sees Patricia 2 or 3 times, every 6 months. They fax and send e-mails to each other ; no phone calls because of the time differences. Suffice it to say, he is still seeing Patricia ; is in some sort of relationship with her. What exactly that relationship is, is not really clear. I think James has a lot of growing up to do before he can have a realtionship with a woman and not a little girl.

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  • Come on Junie ! He sees her more than every 6 months and pretty sure they have phone calls. Last year in an italian interview he told people they have "special" telephone calls ---- The journalist asked what kind of conversation and he answered "private things". That means what it means ;-) I think James tells him fans what they want to hear because he doesn’t want to hurt them with his private life.

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  • Sophie, if he sees her more than every 6 months, then why did he say what he did ? Those "special" phone calls, where they talk about "private things"—I’m guessing the calls are all about phone sex ! What else could be so private ? If he was on the phone telling her that he loves her, why not just admit that in the interview ? You think James tells his fans what they want to hear ? If he’s worried about how the fans would react to his g/f, why say anything about her ? Just don’t mention her at all ! Wouldn’t it be very childish of him to get up on stage and start trashing his own g/f because he wants to spare the feelings of his fans ? That’s just stipid, and James is not a stupid man. At the dinner table, he said they fax and e-mail each other, phone calls are difficult because of the time difference. Believe what you want, but, there’s no denying what he said !

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  • This account was written up after the cocktail party, banquet and concert on the QM Friday night after three fans got back to their room. They wanted to get it all down while it was fresh in their minds, and it was posted to Marsters_Sanctuary on Yahoogroups.

    The account contains the most accurate, verbatim quotes of what James said at one premium table regarding his girlfriend. She wasn’t mentioned by name, but I think it can be assumed he was talking about Patty. . .

    He looked fantastic. Beautiful skin, clear blue eyes, a few laugh lines. He didn’t look tired at all and had a lot of energy. He didn’t let the conversation lag, but took charge of it immediately.

    His aura was open with nothing predatory, hard or harsh about it. He came across as wanting to please each person and trying his best to do so without compromising his own needs. . .

    James. . .began by mentioning that he gotten a drink and had been bantering earlier with "Stevie" (with "Stevie" delivered with a slightly mock gay lisp). His drink looked like a Diet Coke.

    "Steve keeps having to remind me, ’Do you want this drink or not ?’ because I keep leaving it behind. It’s like the time I asked him to get my girlfriend and take her to a site. And Steve said, ’I feel like I have to do everything for you. What do I have to do, pimp for you now ?’"

    James’ expression was somewhere between wounded and defensive — the kicked puppy look. He gestured, palms up and open handed, and little-boy whined, "But it’s my girlfriend."

    We don’t know how that one ended.

    Then James said, "I don’t have a sex life."

    "You’re not supposed to have a sex life," said Echo.

    "You know, my girlfriend — I see her every six months for a couple of days. In the meantime, I can write to her or send her faxes or little notes and get those back and that’s great as far as it goes, but it is what it is. . ."

    He didn’t finish it.

    "I don’t have time for anything else because I’m a single parent. I’m not going to come in and tell the kid, ’Go on, honey and do your homework. I’m going to go out dancing now, but I love you and you’re the most important thing in my life — hey, did you see that hot chick ?’ I don’t do that because I’m a single parent, and I can’t do that."

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  • Sophie, the convesation he had at the table with my group on the QM was NOT in th least responsible for asking him anything about his gf. He volunteered it and he did say they see each other every 6 month fo a couple of days and then they write, fax, email but no mention of phone calls. When was the Italian Interview ? How long ago ? I bet it was over a year ago. I think things have changed since then..

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  • Sophie, I would love to read that Italian article. In an American interview he plainly said they rarely get the chance to talk because of the time difference. With James parental duties he can’t fly often to Germany. She is still in college so she can’t come to LA too often. I bet when they do get together the one who does the flying is exhausted and the quality of their time together isn’t that great.

    People can’t have it both ways. Either she is immature and it’s a bad relationship that James should end or she is mature enough to be in the relationship which means she’s just as responsible as James is for the succcess or failure of the relationship.

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  • Hello,

    I put the link to the italian article, if you can’t see it, that’s from buffyitalianworld.com in their scans. Interview of 2005. Yes, things can change in a year but if they meet twice a year, their relation is stagnating and dying.

    You can’t say you really love someone you only see TWICE a year (how many days), can you ? You can’t share your life with someone you never see, can you ? You can’t comfort someone you never see, you can’t say your share, can you ? You can’t share the difficulties you have in your life.. ok there are emails, .. but you can’t comfort with your presence. You can’t plan a future with someone you see twice a year because you will be bitterly disappointed. If you don’t see your lover more than one month/a year, you don’t know your lover even if you talk to him/her every day because you don’t see his/her daily behavior. Writings and real life are different things. Everybody knows that.. I thought James was smarter and she.. she is so young, she can be naive.

    I hope "every 6 months" is a James’s expression to say every month (lol) because it would be sad. He has seen her 5 or 6 times in all their relation ? you believe that ??? That’s why I don’t believe that confidence on the QM to be the real truth, do you understand ? :) I should show you something, evidence but it’s not the right place. Soon on a Yahoo.

    I read the marsters sanctuary but my writings in English are really bad so I read this place like if I was reading my gossip magazine and I have a lot of fun.

    See ya.

    Voir en ligne : BuffyItalianWorld

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  • Why is everyone so concerned about him and Patricia I do think he has other interest and dont want to tell all you fools for fear ya would stock her.He has been seen with another woman and she seems to keep alow profile cause she has a child too So untill he tells us let his sex life be

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  • People are concerned about him and Patricia because, as fans, we are concerned about him. Things that have been reported, things that James has said and written, lead a lot of people to believe that Patricia, not only doesn’t make him happy, but, actually makes him a little crazy, upset and miserable. It seems that you, devoted fan, are the only one lucky enough to know about this other woman that James is seeing. Well, if he is, and he’s managing to keep his mouth shut about it, good for him ! I never understood why he talks to his fans about his girl friends in the first place. What makes him think that his fans want to know anything about who he’s involved with ? Really, if he wants to keep his relationships private, it’s not a terribly difficult thing for him to do ; it’s all up to him.

    Sophie, everything you said about being in a long distance relationship is very true. This is one of the reasons it’s so hard for a lot of people to believe that James and Patricia are really in a happy and loving relationship. Honestly, we just want better for James.

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  • i wish you all would get a life , patricia , is not a child, when i was 20 i had 2 kids . so what he is 44 we like who we like age has not a thing to do with it. your he fans not his mothers.

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  • Whoa everyone, chill out, there’s no need for fighting here. Nobody has a right to judge this Patricia as nobody in here knows her. Cant call her nice, cant call her mean...you’re all kind of going on how she acts when you see her at these conventions, i’m sure its stressing, and some girls can relate, when you go places in public with your boyfriend, and everyone or someone thinks your boyfriend is really adorable and they start to act creepy like they are his girlfriend(s), it gets irritating. And if you arent judging based on that, you’re judging by the way she looks in pictures...obviously she cant be too bad a person if James is really into her. she’s obviously somebody he likes being around, or he wouldnt be dating her. He shouldnt care about what you guys say, or what anyone says, so chill out, you arent going to make a difference. So just leave it alone and let them be, right ?

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  • Well spoken there Jaime..........nothing else need be said ya said it all

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  • As far as Mr. Marsters’ comments regarding men preferring younger women, he’s just being honest. I think that any man who is looking to start a relationship is going to appreciate the beauty of a woman unmarked by age. A woman’s maturity becomes part of her beauty because of the things the maturity represents...self-assuredness and awareness, etc. For whatever reasons, Mr. Marsters’ may not be wanting these things in his women, therefore he finds the physical indications of their presence unattractive. It’s biological...it has nothing to do with whether he’s a good person or not. Also, as a women who years ago, when I was 18, was in a relationship with a man 27 years older than I was, I can tell you that it’s really not that big of deal. Yes, he had to be patient with my immaturity. He was, because he was getting plenty out of it...and not just physically...like a blast of youth whenever he was around me, the joy of "showing the world" as it were to a pair of clean eyes, etc. We had some things in common, some things not. Just like any other relationship. More to the point was that I hadn’t decided my views or likes/dislikes on so many things yet. That’s where the problem did come in. Our relationship lasted over 5 years, but by the end, I was feeling trapped. I hungered to learn and experience so many things, but he’d already learned and experienced all of them. I wanted out of his rut, and so it ended. You can agree or disagree, but I think you at least have to respect Mr. Marsters for being who he is and saying what is real, not just the things that people want to hear.

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  • Quoteing Jamie : " i’m sure its stressing, and some girls can relate, when you go places in public with your boyfriend, and everyone or someone thinks your boyfriend is really adorable and they start to act creepy like they are his girlfriend(s), it gets irritating. And if you arent judging based on that, you’re judging by the way she looks in pictures..."

    If it’s so irritating and stressful for the poor dear, then she shouldn’t accompany him to, what is essentially, his job. When James is appearing at a convention, he’s being paid (by the fans) to be there. He should be giving his fans his undivided attention, NOT his g/f. She should know all this, as she herself started out as nothing more than a fan. She knows full well that James has a lot of female fans who lust after him. And, it’s very rare than any of these fans "act creepy" around him. He’s mostly treated with respect and adulation. As far as judging her by her appearance—I’ve seen her in person, she’s NOT friendly, it’s obvious she doesn’t like (or feels threatened) by James’ fans. Her body language and demeanor all say, "stay away from me !" Also, have you listened to the words of James’ songs ????? A lot of how I feel about Patricia is because of all the songs James has written for or about her. Songs that seem to be filled with angst, torment and misery.

    No, there’s not a blessed thing any of us can do regarding who James dates. But, it’s certainly not going to hurt anyone if some of us want to express our opinions about it.

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  • Does anyone have that link that quotes that James said that men (and him) do not like women over 30 ?? :( I am going to be 27 sniff. ALso, how do people know that he had one night stands with his fans ? Was there articles on this ? I am also looking for the link that gives the entire conversation from the QM.

    I read the song lyrics to that finer than gold song. If she really got mad at him for giving her a gold necklace, she and I need a few minutes in a room alone together. GRR. I will just keep in my fantasy bubble that they probably will break up soon anyway.. or its not as serious as it seems. sniff. Its hard to fantasize about him otherwise, much easier if you think he is single. :D

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  • There are no transcripts, to my knowledge, of the Q & A where James gave us his views on the male biological imperative. But, I assure you, he DID say that men are instinctively attracted to younger women, having something to do with the desire to procreate. That the older female, shaped like this [ ] is no longer capable of having children, where the younger females, shaped like this ) ( will obviously be able to bear children. Of course, I don’t know what it is that makes him think women in their 30’s can no longer conceive. Geeze, even women in their 40’s can still have children. Unfortunately, he made it quite clear that he, and most men, think that "older" women are useless. Now, what James desingnates as "older" is anyone over 20 !

    The one night stands with his fans is fairly well documented in his song "Bad." There was also an interview where he said that he does this ; sorry I don’t have the time or inclination to go hunt down the quote. There is nowhere you can get the "entire conversation" from the QM. If you go to some of the fan sites, you can find transcripts of James’ Q & A, but, a lot of what he said was to individual people, either at the dinner table, during photo shoots, or during the autograph session.

    I think the words from Finer than Gold make it pretty clear that James’ g/f was not happy with the necklace he bought her because it didn’t match her skintone. Someone that ungrateful needs some lessons in life, and how to treat people, especially the ones you’re supposed to love.

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  • YogaLady, your interpretation about Finer than Gold is purely subjective. Where you interpret the song as her being angry about the present, I interpret it as him realizing that gold is not her colour before giving her the present.

    And also, your rantings about Patricia’s attitude to fans is hogwash. Give me one example of her being rude to fans, excluding your conversation with someone who talked to someone that worked in the greenroom that told you she had an argument with James. I would like one firsthand account of the girl arguing with James about the fans or being rude to them. PS : Looking smug in pictures that she had no idea that were being taken does not count. :)

    Patsy

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  • People are still on that ? Sigh...

    Yes, James did say something about men being innately attracted to younger women. That is completely true, so don’t let people say he didn’t. However, it came out like, to loosely quote Spike, something you pass by on the Discovery Channel. As in it was as if he was repeating something he saw on the Discovery Channel to explain him liking younger women, fertility shape and whatnot. So while he did say it in a room full of women who may be considered no-longer-fertile, I have to disagree it came across as this dogmatic belief he held and that it was a pre-arranged plan to insult all these women. It seemed more like he felt he needed to explain it and it may be due to this biology-babble that he didn’t seem to think through anyway. It seemed to me that he realized how it came across too. Not too smart, James, but everybody does that.

    As for why you won’t find transcripts ? Well, it wasn’t a Q & A setting so it is understndable why people may say he didn’t say as much (they believe he didn’t). It just kind of came up as a discussion progressed, though people have somewhat given accounts just about everywhere. As for the truth to it ? Well, it is hard to prove such absolutist beliefs which is probably so many people cling onto them. We’re still learning about biology and now it I find out men past forty are more likely to produce offspring with Autism regardless of a woman’s age. So maybe somebody should tell that to James. ;)

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  • Five points

    14 novembre 2006 22:26, par Rachel Summers

    1) As a bi chick, I have to say, Patricia’s gorgeous. The folks calling her ugly either aren’t really qualified to judge because they’re hetero, or just too jealous to see straight (so to speak). I mean..geez. She’s nummy. Sorry.

    2) She’s young, okay, but she’s legal now in any country and sometimes May-December romances work out. And being against the relationship because there’s an age difference seems as short-sighted as being against a relationship because the people are different races.

    3) Regarding her supposed behaviour toward fans, it needs to be remembered that while she’s dating a celeb, she herself isn’t one. I think we would all feel nervous if we were in that situation, with fans coming up to us...she probably wonders if people see her as a person or just an access point to James. Many posts here unfortunately seem to dehumanize her into the latter.

    4) James is a big boy. Analysis and fanwank is all well and good, but let’s try to keep some perspective and not get overly protective of him—he can surely figure out his own love life. [Not pointing any fingers here, I don’t claim to be able to read anyone’s minds.]

    5) It obviously bugs women who are closer to James’ age that he doesn’t date closer to his age. Understandable, but let’s face it, if one has the ability to date younger, one will probably take advantage of that and there’s nothing wrong with it (quote from Duran Duran’s Simon Le Bon on why they all dated/married models : "Because we can.") One should not be chastised for simply taking advantage of perks and opportunities as they arise in life (assuming of course that no one is being harmed as a result).

    Just some food for thought.

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  • James has explained the lyrics to"" Finer Than Gold on more than one occasion, the lady in question did the right thing, put the necklace on, acted like she loved it but James could see that it didn’t suit her and was angry with himself for having made a poor choice.

    However those who want to see the song as evidence that his girfriend is ungrateful ( or really that his girlfriend isn’t them) choose to ignore James’ own words on the subject.

    At the QM James never mentioned his girlfriend in relation to the desert island question .. he didn’t want to take anyone with him because he wanted some alone time and with any other person the fights would start after a few days. I hope that JMLive release a DVD of the Q and A because I’m 100% certain of this .

    I’ve met the lady in question, she was charming and a bit shy but obviously greatly enjoyed James’ performance ( it was at Words and Music ) and she was clapping and yelling and singing along and having a great time. I liked her style . . Oh and I was there for the whole " biological imperative" speech , James was explaining how men are programmed and doing the whole " hunter gatherer" thing, it was pretty obvious he’d seen something on The Discovery Channel and was expounding on the theory . He talks rubbish on occasions but it would have taken a very thin skin to take that discussion personally.

    I certainly didn’t take it personally despite being the " wrong" side of thirty but then again I have a mirror and a sense of reality and am not some sad sack dreaming of "happy ever after" with a pretty celeb. Anyway " men are attracted to attractive women of child bearing age " is hardly headline news !

    I notice that no one here ever mentions the story of how James once asked a girl out on a date and found out her age when they went into a club and she was carded. He put her in a taxi and sent her straight home and was horrified that she’d lied to him about her age .

    But again that wouldn’t fit the whole " naughty James dating pretty young things" theory

    They are both of age and what consenting adullts do with their lives is nobody’s business but the couple’s in question

    BTW another report from the QM mentioned a table question where James answered that he writes love songs because he’s in love.. more so now than ever.

    And at the Halloween event in London he talked about having been in love for over a year.

    He’s got a girl

    They’ve been together for three years

    you don’t know her

    it’s not you

    it will * never* be you

    get the heck over it and move on

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  • Hey Junie

    Thanks for replying. I think its sad that James made those comments, and for some reason it kinda hurts my feelings that he did. I really don’t know why, I mean, it shouldnt. I guess its just I would assume he would have a bit more respect for his fans and for people who are supporting him so dilligantly.

    But anyway. Maybe he will grow up one day and realize that is a very silly concept. Personally, I think you are right, he was just trying to justify why he is with such a young girl. Maybe he feels guilty about it. Who knows. She doesnt make it very high on my radar screen anyway.

    I searched for the one night stand bit, but all I found was some quotes from this board, and about Spikes one night stand with Anya, and of course the supposed imitimate encounters between Angel and Spike from that episode "power play". Doesn’t really matter, I don’t care. I am quite sure many actors do it. Also, I sure couldnt possibly say I would turn him down either. lol. Would I do that for anyone else ? No way. ha.

    Its nice to chat with other fans on here. It is really nice to share stories and talk with like people. I am still in love with BTVS, and it seems that its hard to find active fan sites. I can’t find any new fanfic that has been written lately. Plus, not to mention all my friends think I am a bit crazy for liking the show. : ) They are not fans ! They cannot understand !!!!!

    Theresa

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  • Hmm. This is confusing, I just saw like 3 new posts dated for 11/14, and now when I refreshed they are gone. Whats up with that ? Anyway...in answer to Anon muss (which is one of these disappearing posts)

    Yea maybe some people are jealous over her, and wish they themselves were with James. But hello, he is a celebrity, hundreds of women lust over him. Its not abnormal to have a celebrity crush. Its not abnormal to want to express your feelings and your opinions. Isnt that the point of this message board ??? James is hot eye candy. I know I will never be with him, but that doesnt mean I won’t stop fantasizing about him ! And no it doesnt involve lovely dates. It usually involves some kind of oil. ; )

    I think everyone has a celebrity they really like or look up too. I also love Sarah Michelle Gellar. She however, is true a role model to me.

    And I also respect him for being a talented actor and for being funny etc etc. I also hope that he respects his fans the same way. I mean, here we are supporting him, (not to mention talking about him right now lmao) the least he can do is respect his fans.

    I am sure the person above, since I can’t find your post I don’t know your name, but you had said that what he said may have been taken out of contrast. I mean he is a guy. (no offense to guys reading this) but sometimes they can say stuff that sounds really horrible, but have no idea that they said it. We women can do the same to you guys.

    I just wonder why exactly he feels the need to lecture people about something he may have heard on the discovery channel. lol. I think he was just trying to justify himself or something like I said earlier.

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  • Quoting Theresa : I think its sad that James made those comments, and for some reason it kinda hurts my feelings that he did. I really don’t know why, I mean, it shouldnt. I guess its just I would assume he would have a bit more respect for his fans and for people who are supporting him so dilligantly.

    I can understand why your feelings might have been hurt by what he said. I know a number of people who actually withdrew from his fan base because of how hurt and upset they were. I really don’t think James planned to hurt anyone’s feelings, or that he disrespects his fans. Sometimes James will just say things without realizing what he’s saying, or, what the consequences of what he’s saying might be. A lot of people believe that James had recentlly been reading a book or had watched a show on the Discover Channel, thought it was an interesting concept, (not to mention justifying his own attraction to younger women), and thought he would share what he learned. Also, this isn’t something that he just came out with off the top of his head. His comments were a long and drawn out response to some question he was asked.

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  • Dear anony muss... Well put... That’s all I have to say about most of the other posts in this topic. :) All should just leave them alone and get over it. I respect James and him and Patricia are both legal age so who and what age girls he dates are none of our business...

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  • Why are people so bent out of shape because JM’s in love with someone. I’m sure if he wanted anyone’s approval or blessing he’d............no, wait............he doesn’t care what anyone else thinks cos he’s happy and in love. Good on him. People with the issues need to look to themselves and stop projecting onto JM and his, in my opinion, very attractive girlfriend. People happy and in love is a good thing, be happy for them and then maybe some of that good karma will come back to you. If not, well look what happens to Earl when he forgets about karma.

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  • Why do people automatically assume you don’t respect James because you may not be totally impressed with his girlfriend ? Of course people want him happy. But of course people have opinions too ! Its not bad or wrong to have opinions. It doesnt make you have issues. Its not like he is ever going to hear what we have to say anyway. Its more of a talking to other fans. Thats all. I think James is awesome, and I am very happy to be a fan of his. I love his work, and I think he is very talented. Plus, he is hot. :P

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  • Fans of any celebrity are going to talk about that celebrity, good, bad, and otherwise. Look what the media is doing with TomKat—there are those who think this relationship (now marriage) is wonderful, and others who think both Tom and Katie need psychiatric help. People are going to talk, and to try and stop them from stating their opinions is considered to be censorship and oppression. There are a number of people here who think James and Patricia’s relationship is wonderful, there are those who think it’s awful, and those who are indifferent to it. K is right, I’m sure he doesn’t care what anyone thinks or says. But, to say, leave them alone, stop talking about them, it’s not likely to happen.

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  • Subjective. Some think she is a pretty, smart and funny girl, others think she is an ugly and immature girl. Beauty is subjective. If James finds her attractive, you should respect his choice even if you think that you are beautiful, smart and perfect. You can’t judge the appearances. She is maybe the one of his life, maybe a future ex-girlfriend and then you will criticize the next one -You will always criticize.

    You can’t tell the present or the future of their relation simply by looking at these pictures. So I don’t agree with your opinions even some smart comments I have read. You are not in their lifes. You only suppose that everything is perfect, you only suppose things. You don’t know.

    You can watch the pictures, judging what you see but you can’t see what is behind the picture : their relation ... because you don’t know. How can you judge ? you have suppositions about James and his private life but you don’t know the truth, you don’t know if he is still with her, if their relation is perfect, if he/she is still in love, you don’t know. You can’t say that she is the one, you can’t say that he will never be with someone else, you can’t say that he only likes teenagers, you can’t say anything because you don’t know James, the present and the future.

    Well I wasn’t here to write this :)

    I have found a girl who sent to James what people on the Marsters_sanctuary, whedon and other places think of his behaviour with "little girls" ; that "he is only attracted by girls between 17 and 20" and "that after 21 years old and women in their 30’ are too old and unattractive" - That girl was upset by your disrespect and wanted to show the lack of respect fans have for him. She also told him that she was disappointed if all this was true. I am sure he won’t answer but he or his manager will know.

    People have gone too far in their comments because I have also a website about him and around 200 visitors a day. 8 people have asked me yet if he was only attracted by underage. One sent me links with teens "can you send this to James he will appreciate". Of course, I didn’t send but I sent the websites to the Police because it was pedophilia... what was I supposed to understand with this stupid behaviour ?

    When I ask why they do that, their answer is something like "ohh I read that James likes young girls, read this". I read your comments, insinuations, suppositions and others places on Internet.

    What kind of reputation are you giving to James ? Be careful with your comments. You can destroy someone with suppositions ; a lot of people believe that everything you say is gold, that everything written is true... so some fans don’t like James anymore.

    Remember, you don’t know him even if you think that he disclosed important information to you in his lyrics or during conventions : he has a public image. Only his family, friends and lovers know the private and real him.

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  • Yeesh. I just stumbled on this discussion and wow. Pedophilia ? For goodness’ sake, that is when you are attracted to children sexually. A guy who is attracted to girls in their late teens/early twenties isn’t a pedophile. He’s attracted to women, sexually. Girls that age have women’s bodies, not children’s bodies. Does it indicate some kind of problem with self confidence, emotional maturity, dealing with strong, independent women, or wanting to be idealized, etc ? Highly probable, I’d say. But honestly, who cares ? I enjoy James’ acting. So, he makes excuses for himself sometimes, and he’s not a very mature, confident man. Sometimes he plays one on TV or in the movies. And I enjoy watching him portray characters. I would never date him or set him up with any woman I cared about. But I’m guessing that is never going to be an issue.

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  • I would love it if someone pointed out to me, where on this site, was James called a pedophile ? What was said was, James likes his women in their late teens and early twenties ; pedophiles are only interested in children, usually under twelve. I think some people are reading into some of the statements that have been made here. Personally, I consider James’ choice in age range a little young for a 44 year old man, but, I wouldn’t consider him a pedophile. As was stated by FortyPlus, yeah, he probably has confidence problems, is immature, and couldn’t deal with a strong, mature, independent women, but, I don’t think he’s a pedophile, and never stated such.

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  • > Hi Fortyplus, woww I hope you understand that i have never said he was a pedophile. I should have read my message before sending to support it. Not a scoop but a lot of pedophile are attracted by teenagers so when you can read on this board or elsewhere that James likes teenagers, girls hardly legal or girls who look young, I think there is a problem because this (can) create confusion, conclusions in some people’s minds and as you can see on this board, comments slowly go too far ;

    My main message was that people can destroy someone talking about things they don’t know anything about. An image (a public image or a picture) is what we see : the superficial, not the essential. We can’t give an opinion on something we haven’t seen in depth.

    Now. About James and his maturity... I read this everywhere :-O. Why ? Why do people judge him as an immature man or think he has a problem ? We have many sides in our personalities. Sometimes we are mature, sometimes we are immature. I guess some people only want to see his weaknesses when they are looking for an answer about something they don’t like. Maybe there is no answer. Human is so complex. People should stop coming up with conclusions and should stop making up his personality based on suppositions of what people think because other people are naive and believe everything written. I only care about his acting too but when someone asks me why I appreciate a "pervet" I am upset/ I tried to understand why people insinuated that or had this conclusion. When you read some opinions, I understand that some people think he has a problem but what people think about him is not the truth because we don’t know the truth. I have just understood that the problem is not James, the problem are some (I hope "few") fans and their narrow-mindedness.

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  • I like James. I crush on James. I am a typical swooning female fan. I collect autographs, pictures, movies and sound clips. I have almost all of the Spike action figures and probably near all of the collectable cards with Spike on them.

    I have never been one to really care about celebrities that much. To me, most of them are superficial and shallow. However, the two celebrities I do care about are Sarah Michelle Gellar and James Marsters. I like them for very different reasons, but I appreciate them both very much. If anyone asked me who my idol is, I would say Sarah for sure.

    Now, with that out of the way, I will move on to my point. I am certainly not going to put James down in anyway, and I do not think I could even if I wanted too. Most of the words that come out of my mouth are sexy, hot, and wow. He is talented, and I like his music.

    I do think that perhaps he does have a bit of confidence issues, or maybe just puts his foot in his mouth sometimes. Maybe he did not mean what he said...or people are taking it out of context. If he did phrase it in such a fashion, then I can totally understand why it may offend some people. James is certainly not a pedophile because he dates younger women. The girl is an adult now anyway. Heck, when I was 20 I was dating a 40 year old myself. Therefore, I really cannot talk. My only concern is the fact that I want James to appreciate all of his fans regardless if they are older or not.

    Nevertheless, since I was not there to hear this stuff, I will just continue on thinking all is peachy keen and not draw conclusions. Although - I do not think people are giving James a bad rap by just saying their opinions about things. I mean James could have said "I hate the color purple" and everyone would be giving his or her opinion. It is just normal. It is not good to say that he is a pedophile though. That is just twisted and taking things waaaaay out of context.

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  • Well said. I think the only reason they say this is cause they really dont know him..I met him in person and he is an amazing man..........very warm friendly and open....and not all his ladies are young...just a few and hey any man gets lonely and urges y not take the opportunity if given I would So stop and think before ya speak there ladies..........and ladies his present lady is in her late 30"s early 40’s seen them together at a night club in Santa Monica

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  • Sooo, Mack, what you’re saying is basically that the whole discussion is obsolete, because the girl in the pics above is already history ? This is so funny. Everyone engages in a heated discussion and the whole topic is already null and void.... Shows just what we fans know, right ? Absolutely nothing !

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  • Devoted Fan, back in the summer, James had bought a new house and was having it renovated. In Modesto, which is 500 miles away from Santa Monica. So, why on earth would he just get up and leave with all that ruckus going on around his home to travel 500 miles away only to have lunch with some woman and her kid ? Don’t believe me, check out the May Q&A on his website.

    Mack, when did you see this 30 to 40 year old woman and James together ? Again, I say, James lives in Modesto. That’s where his farm house was at. That’s where his new house is at. So, again I ask, why on earth would he travel 500 miles away from home to dance the night away with some woman in Santa Monica ?

    Even more so, your ’supposed’ sighting of James at a nightclub had to have happened after Devoted Fan’s ’supposed’ lunch sighting. Meaning that James was either on The QM or off filming PSILY in New York and Ireland.

    It’s like you both have forgotten that he’s a single father who can’t be doing that sort of stuff. So, either the both of you saw someone who looked like James, or you’re starting stuff to just start stuff and sound important. Even worse, you both could be the same person.

    I think he’s still with Patricia. Lucky girl. Pretty, too. Wish them luck. And I have a feeling that they’re still together. Just remember everyone, relationships have their tensions, it’s not about how many, it’s how they’re dealt with that makes the relationship work and age ain’t nothin’ but a number.

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  • Just because James is seen with someone in their 30’s or 40’s, in Santa Monica, doesn’t mean his involvement with the 20 year old is over. Do we really believe that James is going to sit at home alone, while his honey lives thousands of miles away ? If James is "just a guy" then there’s no way he doesn’t have a little something on his home turf. Then again, the person he was seen with in SM, could just be a friend. None of us will ever really know what goes on in his life—that’s what makes all the speculating such fun ! lol

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  • "Do we really believe that James is going to sit at home alone, while his honey lives thousands of miles away ? If James is "just a guy" then there’s no way he doesn’t have a little something on his home turf."

    Junie I pity you because you obviously have a very poor opinion of the male sex .

    I can assure you that men are perfectly capable of maintaining a long term, long distance relationship and remaining faithful .

    As one of the few men at a convention in Sacramento I was interested to hear James talk about going out dancing as a way of working off sexual tension helping him to stay faithful to his girlfriend who was living elsewhere at the time .

    I’ve seen him with his current lady and talked to him about her , he’s in love, he’s happy and he seems like a decent guy with strong values.

    I’m sorry if your own partners have cheated on you but please don’t tar all men with the same brush.

    BTW what you call * yipping* I call an unhealthy and prurient interest in stuff that’s none of your damned business.

    Maybe if you were happier in your own love life you’d waste less time bitching about the love life of someone you don’t know and will never know, no matter how many conventions you attend or photo opportunities you buy .

    S.

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  • So, Seb, you pity me, you assume I’ve had partners that have cheated on me, and you consider my yipping to be unhealthy. You’ve made all these assumptions about me, by reading what I’ve posted here. How is, what you’ve done here, any different from my speculations about James and Patricia ? We’re all entitled to our opinions, you obviously have a few about me. No biggie. I have my opinions, and that’s that. I don’t intend to change your opinions of me, so don’t expect me to change my opionions about James’ relationship.

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  • Yes Junie, I admit that I was drawing conclusions based on your posts and I was trying to see how you liked the boot being on the other foot .

    Consider how accurate my conclusions were ( hopefully , for your sake, not very) and then ask yourself if the conclusions you draw about Mr Marsters are likely to be any more accurate.

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  • "Yes Junie, I admit that I was drawing conclusions based on your posts and I was trying to see how you liked the boot being on the other foot ."

    Honestly, I have no problem with your conclusions, since your opinion of me has absolutely no impact whatsoever on my life. Just as my opinions of James have absolutely no inpact on his life ! Whatever conclusions I draw about James, his life or his relationships are not going to change his behavior, and I don’t believe what I have to say will hurt him in any way. Where you believe my "yipping" to be unhealthy, I consider it to be a release of frustrations, cathartic even. Again, it’s all a matter of each individuals personal opinion ; no one’s right, no one’s wrong. I’m not stating my thoughts as "truth," just as my opinion.

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  • I am deeply upset by this. Until I saw this I loved James with all my heart and soul...but now I am not sure. I guess he’s still just the same great guy, but some of what he said about women was just offensive, and it’s just wrong to date people that much younger than you and see nothing wrong with it. I know nothing has changed, but I always viewed James as a really nice guy...now I find out he dates people half his age and sleeps with lots of different people. I always believed him to be different to all the other celebrities who do all this stuff, and now I find out he’s just the same as him.

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  • "...now I find out he dates people half his age and sleeps with lots of different people. I always believed him to be different to all the other celebrities who do all this stuff, and now I find out he’s just the same as him."

    Nobody’s saying that he sleeps with a lot of different people, some people are guessing or speculating that he does. The little that we know right now, is that he’s seeing a young girl named Patricia, and no one else. As far as him being different from other celebrities—why would he be ? He’s just a normal guy, not a saint.

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  • Anonymous, don’t stop loving James just because of some stuff you read on the message boards. I, too, was awfully offended by his remarks about women, but I think that a lot of fans here have decided he has a hoof in mouth disease. I think perhaps he sputtered out some junk to try and explain why he is dating that girl. I do hope that he treats his fans with respect.

    I still, do not like the girl. I admit it, and you can throw flames at me for that. I know its jealousy. I know that. I know its silly, and I know that I will never have a chance with him. I know my opnions mean squat to him, nor will he ever meet me. I think its just much funner to imagine him single. with oil. ;) None of us really know if he is still with her anyway.

    AAAAAAAAaand to that guy that responded to Junie, her opinions matter just as much as anyones here. I think the remarks you left were distasteful. I for one, enjoy reading her comments. :)

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  • When did this become an annex for the Marsters Wanktuary ? What a cabal of women who seem to know JM better than JM knows himself. I guess one place to share their bile is not enough.

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  • And even if James did all he is accused of in this forum, one-night stands, girls half his age, foot-in-mouth-syndrome, etc., he still deserves to be loved. Why ? Because he has done nothing that others have not done a million times before, and it’s always within the laws. We are all humans with a lot of faults, and despite that, we’re forgiven and loved by family, husbands/wifes, kids, and friends on an almost daily basis. So forgive, love, and if anyone wants to know what is true, just watch him, listen to him, read the lyrics he wrote. A lot of answers are to be found there. I recommend the question and answer-database, there is a lot to be found, too. The link is on his official web-site. And then just sit back and look at that wonderful blend, he isn’t flawless at all, but he is beautiful anyway. I can appreciate a man who falls flat on his ass many times and stands up over and over again to continue trying. Loving an adult person that seems to be faultless and pure (impossible !) isn’t really a challenge to our souls, is it ?

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  • I so hope is new album is coming out soon... we’ll probably find some answers there .. uhhh !

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  • Why can’t all you people get over this and leave it alone ? haven’t you got anything better to do than ridicule JM and his girlfriend, what he does and who he dates is his business, not yours so why are you prying into his life and making accusations that are twisted and bitter. Are you trying to put people off him of something, these sorts of things can cause all sorts of uproar and nasty arguments, and another thing, have you looked at when this message was first replied to ? No, well it was months and months ago, he might not even be dating her anymore, so what the big deal, if the age gap works for them then who are you to question it, it has nothing to do with you, you don’t know them, you may know everything about them but you don’t truly know them so why are you trying to darken his reputation be your opinions which you have no proof to ? personally, i have been a JM fan for years and these silly little arguments and opinions arent going to make me love him less,for the actor that he is , and your opinions and debates arent going to change anything either, whats done is done, it’s in the past, stop raking it up and using it as personal abuse to him, find something better to do !

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  • "sobs sniffles" my hearts just fell out,tough" na i hope they are very happy and she will treat him right,it would be nice to see him happy..shes the luckyest lady on earth.it would of been nice if he got bck with his childs mother.oh well people looks like birthday cards only.oh and Geller is not ugly,she is Beautiful and pretty.beauty is within enyway...If your in the uk enyone look out your window now the eclipse is happening

    J

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  • I’m a James Marsters Fan. A fan of his acting, his songwriting, his stage performances. I think the man is incredibly talented and handsome. He has a very sensual aura about him and he seems to put everything he has into his public events. His private life is his and the only people he needs to share it with are those he calls loved ones and friends and not something his fans should judge him on or interfere in.

    I’ve read through many of the comments regarding his girlfriend (current or not) and I find them terribly rude.

    James was once asked that if he could choose between brains and beauty in a girlfriend, what would he choose and he replied brains because often beauty is boring. He is a very intelligent man and respects and admires intelligence in others. Also consider your own relationships, often someone you didn’t think of as very attractive became very attractive after you got to know them. So personality is part of a persons attractiveness. In these images, you can’t tell the personality of anyone. And, not everyone finds the same things attractive. I personally love men with dark hair and expressive eyes, but my best friend likes blonde men with perfect teeth ! Everyone is different.

    Who James dates is his business and the her age shouldn’t matter all that much as long as she’s over 18. Remember Woody Allen and his adoptive daughter, Hugh Heffner is surrounded by women he could be great-grandfather to and many Hollywood couples have quite a spread in their ages. The bottom line is... Does she make him happy ? Does he make her happy ? Do they take good care of the kids together ? And really, even that isn’t part of our business. As fans we should support his career not his love life (of course any girl in her right mind wouldn’t kick him outta bed for eating crackers, but that’s just a lovely fantasy we can have without hurting anyone).

    The hateful things and uncomplimentary comments regarding Patricia’s looks or age are hurtful and I hope Patricia shares James’ avoidance of the internet so she never has to read these type of comments. Who James dates, likes, loves is really none of his fan’s business.

    James really doesn’t consider himself a sex symbol, he just wants to enjoy his personal life and his love life with a "good girl, one who rocks but has a decent heart" and if he’s found her in Patricia then I’m thrilled for him !

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  • >>"Who James dates, likes, loves is really none of his fan’s business.<<"

    He makes it our business by continuing to discuss his g/f, during Q & A’s and at dinner tables during VIP events. If he doesn’t want his fans to comment, discuss, or speculate about his relationships, then HE should be the one to keep his mouth shut in the first place !

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  • i think we can give opinions but we are nobody to judge people, this discussion has gone too far, so please don’t accuse him of being something he is not because you can’t think out of the box or because your mind is too fucking rotten. let people be for god’s sake.

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  • I am a fan of James Marsters and his work. I’m not required to be a fan of his girlfriend, and I’m not. James’ attitude seems to be, "She’s hot, I’m doing her. That’s all it is." I do wish he’d get some work so we could watch him act again.

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  • Quote : " so please don’t accuse him of being something he is not"

    I’m not sure what you mean. I think the worst he’s being accused of, is being a dirty old man. LOL Let’s face it, dating someone 24 years younger than him ! Sure, other people do it, but, this isn’t a thread about "other people," it’s a thread about "James Marsters and his girlfriend."

    Quote : "because you can’t think out of the box or because your mind is too fucking rotten. let people be for god’s sake."

    Yes, using profanity is always the best way to get a point across. Oh, and, only because YOU say to "let people be," we’ll all just go away now.

    Quote : "I am a fan of James Marsters and his work. I’m not required to be a fan of his girlfriend, and I’m not."

    THANK YOU ! I’m right there with you.

    Quote : "I do wish he’d get some work so we could watch him act again."

    Oh, wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing !? And, it would probably give us something much better to talk about than his girlfriend.

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  • *James’ attitude seems to be, "She’s hot, I’m doing her. That’s all it is." * May I ask how you come to say this ? Do you know her ? Anyway, I imagine ’just doing here’ isn’t that easy from La to Germany...hehe

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  • QUOTE : "*James’ attitude seems to be, "She’s hot, I’m doing her. That’s all it is." * May I ask how you come to say this ?"

    It was reported that, at a dinner table full of fans, at the Queen Mary event, James commented on his relationship as "it is what it is." Some people took this statement to be one of indifference or not caring very much, on his part. James also said that he sees his g/f for a couple of days every six months, and, after 2 or 3 days, the fighting starts. Some can expand on this thought, and conclude that as infrequently as he does see her, when they do get together, it’s all about the sex, and, since they start to fight after a couple of days, there’s really not a lot to their relationship other than sex.

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  • ive heard of a friend that james is dating another women called virgina...she is closer to his age..also has 1 son !

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  • “"I do wish he’d get some work so we could watch him act again." Oh, wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing !? And, it would probably give us something much better to talk about than his girlfriend.”

    Well so far since this thread started James has done two feature films ( Shadow Puppets and P.S. I Love You) and an audio book ( Grave Peril) and announced voice work ( Lex Luthor in Justice League) and a guest spot on TV ( Saving Grace) Plus two American events , a gig and a week’s worth of events in the UK.

    I guess some people just care more about his love life than anything else

    Which, when you come to think of it is pretty darned sad

    BTW I was at the QM too and on our table James said he was in love, more so now than ever.

    So you pays your money and you takes your choice

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  • >>"BTW I was at the QM too and on our table James said he was in love, more so now than ever."<<

    I find this very interesting. I was at the table where James said of his relationship, "it is what it is." While discussing his g/f, he never mentioned being so in love. I also thought it curious that he never even referred to her by name. Now, I’m not saying that he didn’t say how in love he is, at your table. I’m just thinking that, maybe, this is James telling his fans what he thinks they want to hear. James has always been very good at reading people. Maybe he could sense a group of fans who really like his g/f, and then, another group of fans who don’t like his g/f. I’ve always thought that James really goes out of his way to please his fans, maybe, that’s what he was trying to do in the cases of two different conversations with two different groups of fans.

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  • "James also said that he sees his g/f for a couple of days every six months, and, after 2 or 3 days, the fighting starts."

    That would be very interesting if it were in any way accurate but sadly it’s another example of misreporting or rather of conflating two seperate answers. James was reported as telling one table that he saw his girlfriend a few times a year for a few days and they kept in touch by e mail etc because time difference made phone calls tricky .That’s the context of the famous " it is what it is" quote. Then there was a Q and A question about who he’d like to be marooned on a desert island with , he did not specifically mention his girlfriend in the answer ( though the questioner was prodding him in that direction) but said that there would be two or three days of bliss before the fighting started . In fact he seemed to quite fancy having the island to himself to catch up with some sleep and alone time.

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  • hey tell us more about this Virginia and her son........how old is the boy and where does she live,,,,,,,,,,Inquiring minds want to know

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  • Um......having trouble understanding what James’ personal life has to do with any of you. I felt queasy reading through all the bitching and whining about James and his girlfriend. Imagine how most of you would feel if you found a post doing the same thing about you !

    Reading through the comments and skipping past those that seemed pretty immature it’s easy to pick the true fans from those who only like him for his looks !If you don’t like the choices he makes, then pick another actor to fawn over.

    A true fan will support him whether, he’s gay, has a personality disorder, dates a younger girl or any of the things I’ve read that he ’supposedly’ does that some of you have mentioned in this post.

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  • Hey tell us more about this Virginia ...........how old is her son.......where does she live....come on give us the good stuff......I would love to see him have a women here in the states he can relate to and if she is closer to his age she is perfect.... .....it would get all the gossip off him about young girls

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  • Hey someone mentioned something about that woman back in September of 2006........has anyone seen them together.........just curious

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  • Why dont we all just leave it alone.........if he wants us to know about his women he will make it public..but right now I think he feels it is his business

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  • CAZ !

    Good call ! I have only been a fan for about a year now, can’t say i was much of a fan of anyone prior to that, not enough to actually look up forums and info online, but i had a very profound experience that began with JM’s music, and i became fascinated, because it was an experience I had never had before, so I began to research him, i was really shocked to see how ppl talked about his girlfriends and personal life. I had no idea people did that ! If you DO care about James, and as a fan you DO care about them in one form or another, all you should care about is this : is he happy ? Is he being treated well ? (by everyone in his life, including professionally, which isn’t our business really, but, its human nature to want to know is someone you care about is being treated well) 3-is he healthy ? (in mind, body and soul.) Anything else, we only need to know what he makes us privy to. What he wants us to know. And even then most of it we dont NEED to know, but if he wants to share it, fine. We live in a very sad state of affairs, in this tabloid society. Seriously, do we really need to know every detail ? Of course not. Celebs are human just like us, imagine if total strangers wanted to know all the details of your relationships or private proclivities ? There is no reason to want to know anything from a celeb that we wouldn’t want to know from a casual acquaintance. I kinda hope James never gets huge, because, if he got huge like say brad pitt, he would never get a moments peace.... and that is a very sad life... and he seems to be a good person, a good man, down to earth and pretty real...Getting seriously famous.. would really wreak havoc on him and his children’s lives... and i just dont wanna see that happen to the guy... i cant stand its happened to anyone, but some celebs start out as dicks and a-holes, James does not seem to be much of a dick from what I have seen, I’d hate to see info hungry fans turn him into one.

    *steps down off soapbox*

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  • Well he does go for the darker hair types but he has dated Mercedes Mcnab(aka Harmony Kendall). And as we know, she’s a blonde.

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  • I don’t think James cares too much about hair color. As long as the girl is lean, hot, pretty, and under 20 years old, he’ll go for her. *EG*

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  • Oh boy are you so wrong on that one.....his lastest companion is older than 20 and not a string bean so ya better get facts before ya open mouth and insert foot....they have been seen together alot

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  • He is still with Patricia. Stop saying stupid things.

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  • How do you know what he does...........Patricia part time maybe once or twice a year but hey he has needs so y would it be gossip or lies

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  • He told one of my friends during a photo session he has been in love with Patricia for years now. My friend was disappointed :-D Even if I don’t understand this kind of relation. They can’t know each other. How can he call this LOve ? I don’t know. Immature. he tells everyone that he is in love, no one will make me believe he is unfaithful.

    Show me proof that he has someone else in his life ?!. :-)

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  • What ever if ya lived in LA and around the Santa Monica area ya would know

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  • >>his lastest companion is older than 20 and not a string bean so ya better get facts before ya open mouth and insert foot....they have been seen together alot<<

    Did you ever consider that this person he’s been seen with "a lot" in Santa Monica is just a friend ? There was a recent photograph of James with a fan, taken at some street fair in Wales, and Patricia is sitting in the background. So, obviously, he’s still seeing Patricia.

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  • Could be just a friend......but he and this friend are awfully FRIENDLY.....if ya get the drift..they share food and walk hand in hand often ...and go to clubs together

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  • >>..they share food and walk hand in hand often ...and go to clubs together<<

    Can you describe this person ? Are you sure it’s not Patricia ? I’m not saying I doubt you, but, even if he is having some kind of relationship with this other woman, by all accounts, he’s also still seeing Patricia.

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  • She is definately not Patrica she is a bit older........she also dose have dark hair but this in not Patricia....she dont even look close to the pics of her..and they have a small boy with them on occassion...the boy looks just like her.. and calls James by his name....yes i am a mini paparazzi....i watch for him everywhere

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  • I can’t believe he’s 45 or so. I guess the real reason he is into young gals is the bathing in virgin blood, routine.

    Man, if they ever have a Buffy reunion, Spike will need a cane, or a walker. Are vamps allowed oxygen tanks ?

    Oh, and James...you do show your age with the dark hair. Might want to go back to the bleach.

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  • Patricia is a bit trivial looking, but definitely not ugly ! There is something about her youth and exotism that I could see a man going for. The harder pill to swallow is the age difference ; especially when you consider that one graduates high school at 19 in Germany, so for their first year together, she was probably still in high school. Oh James...

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  • >>especially when you consider that one graduates high school at 19 in Germany, so for their first year together, she was probably still in high school. Oh James...<<

    Yes, she was still in H.S. when they met and started "dating." He actually accompanied her to her graduation ball.

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  • Friend saw him in Cardiff at a concert Saturday, July 21st. Patricia was there with a "ring-side" seat. He conducted the concert all the while looking up at her where she stood.

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  • Patricia was up in the balcony with the other V.I.Ps including many of the Torchwood cast) James sang a grand total of two songs to the balcony, Which since they were new love songs is only right and proper .The rest of the time he interacted brilliantly with the audience. I was there and report after report from other fans who were there has confirmed this. Unfortunately some fans believe that unless he makes eye contact with them personally throughout the show he is in some way letting them down. It’s all a bit tragic :)

    Especially considering that with the stage lights up a performer simply can’t see the audience anyway

    Yes dears you can hoist yer boobs up as high as you like , luckily for the guy on stage all he can see is shadows and house lights :) Let’s face it once you hit a certain age certain things are best kept covered :)

    I loved a report of a previous gig where a fan was all affronted and claiming that James spent all of his time singing to his girlfriend ( which would have been a clever trick since she wasn’t there at the time )

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  • Living in a fantasty world is great when you’re a teenager . Once you hit thirty you really should try the real world, you know, the one where he is NEVER gonna fall madly in love with you, dump his unsuitable girlfriend and whisk you off to play happy ever after . And the more you keep going on and on and ON about his love life the sadder and more delusional you look. No matter how much yoga you use to keep your body in good shape. And no matter how much you try to cover up your insane jealousy with a thin veil of concern and psychobabble . And no matter how many smileys you use or how you try to look better by calling your bitching " yipping" you simply become a laughing stock.

    The guy’s love life is nobodys concern but his own and his lovers . He did fine before you joined his fandom, he’ll do fine once you’ve moved on ... hopefully that will be soon because frankly this purile, prurient obsession got old long LONG ago :)

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  • >>prurient obsession<<

    Huh, and I thought all James fans had prurient obsessions. BTW, you misspelled puerile.

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  • The whole age thing does not creep me out as much as everyone cause i’m 16 and i’d hit lol. The only thing weird about the age thing is that he seem like a really mature guy in interview that i have seen with him so i just don’t see how he can have a mature conversation with a 20 yr old even if she is the smartest person in the world. And how the hell did you guys get all that info on their relationshp like how they met and how he slept with some of his fans after they met. And the Mike guy that wrote a whole essay about this needs to cool down we could care less about your life story

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  • "And how the hell did you guys get all that info on their relationshp like how they met and how he slept with some of his fans after they met."

    they make it up, dear. That’s how they get that *information*, or they try to piece it together from what James says on the conventions. I don’t really think he’d announce cheating on his girlfriend though. And I’ve heard of many fans who make up stories of having been together with James, when all that is, is them wanting to, no more than that.

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  • Well, I have met Patricia and got to know her a bit. She is an absolutely lovely girl and her and James seem very happy together. She is easy going and is not at all immature.

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  • Why dont we all just leave James and his love life alone.....if he wants us to know about it he will let ya know so in the mean time shhhhh about it

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  • Wow. She’s slightly unattractive. But im happy for James if he’s happy to be with her. I dont like her. James should be with Sarah Michelle Gellar. (Even though she’s married damn it !)

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  • I still say I don’t care for her. I am glad James is happy, if you can say that they have a relationship. I can say I don’t care for her because I can.. so there. :P lol I think she looks crosseyed and has a big nose.

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  • I don’t find her attractive either. Nonetheless, James must see something else in her that we surely don’t see.

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  • She is studying Fashion Design @ Trier in Germany. I’m really impressed because she has no style and she can’t draw very well.

    I’ve seen some pictures of her on her blog _posted on the Marsters_sanctuary (Yahoo Group)_ and she is not attractive at all and really a IMMATURE girl ! Her favorite interest - the FIRST written on her profile - is to imitate people with Tourette’s syndrome : disgusting ! If it was humour, it’s not funny at all.

    ..... Writings are the best ways of learning on human .........

    Is James happy ? We don’t know. You just speculate. How can he be happy with someone he never sees and maybe doesn’t know. Do they imitate handicapped people together ? .... pfff Maybe it’s just what he wants... fun with someone he rarely sees, a pastime when he has time. I stop, I’m speculating now.

    I wish him the best for the future and BTW a Happy Birthday !

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  • maybe telling ppl he is with her or letting them think he is throws them off his real love life and maybe she is a good lay who knows any way who cares...........it is his life....by the way..... HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES

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  • I just want to say i`ve been a fan of james for a long time now and if he`s happy then so be it,(even though that doesn`t stop me being jealous)P.S happy birthday.

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  • Most of these pics look either super imposed or FAn-girl type pics. He doesn’t seem to look as happy as she does. I have a feeling that she’s not in the picture anymore, or even if she is, probably not as much. Last THREE concerts I’ve seen of James he (1) completely screwed up his "Patricia" song...seemed intentional...(he messed up the chords, then he forgot the lyrics.) then the 2nd & 3rd time, he didn’t do it at all ! Poor James has a history of women cheating on him, or just usuing him. He seems & says he’s happy with his life right now ! So good for him. I wish he would learn the signs of this horrid grp of women & jsut steer clear !!!

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  • Im a rather new fan...but am utterly impressed by this actors sheer talent in many mediums...I began wondering who each member of the Buffy the vampire Slayer cast mates were either bethrothed to or with...mostly as general interest...but I have only stumbled across these few obscure pics...most actor/actresses have well documented sitings or relationship status with significant others...this is the only place I have seen mention of a steady person after his children’s mother...and am a little suspicious as to why ??? Why only these pictures ??? most actors/actress’s in interviews etc. mention whom they are with...it just seems strange...and what seems stranger still is the ensueing gab or comments on if its true..or not...or happening...or should...frankly I feel a bit stumped at the mass outpouring of concern over an actors love life ??? Really shouldnt it be about his work....the impact he makes as a person...and all while fame is so fleeting...someone mentioned Duran Duran marring models because they could.....LOL...I am thinking go guys !!! because I havent heard the faintest about them in years....fame like love is not always a finite thing...I say as long as someone has what they believe makes them happy...then is that not what its all about and what we all work toward...I happen to be 39..I dont look a day over 29..thankfully...Im a single mom....sometimes even when you have everything going for you...life can be very lonely...I suspect...fame is also like this...alone in a sea of fans....I am saving to go to one con to see him ...mostly for my 10 yr old daughter ( shes crushed on him hard..lol) but Im not going as a fawning fan...more like an appreciative one of his artistic abilityin what he allowed my daughter and I to experiance in watching a collabrative effort of something beautifully created.... I will consider my self very lucky to experiance it...Please as fans we should appreciate the talent an actor brings to a character...to breathe life into a role....after that hes simply just like all of us...exception he has critics...and those that follow his every movement...and yet is isolated with the exception of those he is close to....A New Fan

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  • The presence of love can never bring badness about, all the problems in this world only ever exist for the absence of love. If you keep that in mind, no relationship of James can ever be bad for him, because he loves. And if we love James, we support him in every way possible and show respect for who he is. A beautiful human. A gifted artist, who has done more for his fans than any other celebrity I have ever heard of. Purify your souls, folks, and all of this is no topic to discuss at all.

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  • WOW this one sure has been quite for a while but i guess thats a good thing for James

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  • Since James has been with Patricia for three years now, maybe everyone has just gotten bored with the whole thing.

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  • Didn’t Jerry Seinfield date Shoshanna Lonstein - who he met when she was 17 y/o ? They dated 4 years I think - and now he’s married to Jessica Sklar. Just sayin’ he may grow tired yet. I met him in Atlanta in September. Nicest guy you’d ever want to meet ! Personally, I was glad she didn’t make an appearance. He sang both Angel and Fall of Night ! LOL !! But the boy is "intense" if you know what I mean. I don’t know where he gets his energy from - it can’t be all Red Bull and Starbucks !

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  • By the way... she’s not his girlfriend anymore... she’s his wife ! That’s what Al Britten told my friend at one of his own concerts. He was the pre-act at "The Cavern" in Liverpool in 2005. Honestly, I don’t like her from what looks can tell but that’s completely my own subjective impression. And yes, I am jealous, which does not mean I do not want James to be in a happy relationship. I just think they are not happy. James is funny, witty and smart and a big flirt but he’s a human being with the same flaws and problems and faux-pas’ as the guy with the strange eye-twitch next to you on the bus yesterday... or s.o. like that. ;-P We are his fans and (un-)fortunately James likes to share with us, but never doubt that we don’t get to see the private James. With anyone of us (and maybe P. atb.) he’ll be the "officially released version" of himself. Being a fan of James has taught me one thing - I can love him for his acting, singing and appearances at cons and his good looks. I can dote on him and hang his pictures on my walls but he’ll never be mine. I am a fan and that fact in itself will keep us at a distance. And finally I am happy with that. I don’t want to know the newest facts about him anymore. I can wait for the album. I am not going to see him live anymore and yet I am still a fan and whenever I hear any news career-wise I will take a close look and then turn around, live my own life and meet the guy next door for a coffee... in my sleep I can keep on dreaming...

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  • never believe everything ya hear.......so until it comes from his mouth I myself wont believe it....he has many times said I dont need a wife it wouldnt be fair to her I travel too much and if they are married y is she still over there and he here in the states ya would think she would want to be here with him cause we all know he wont move there because of his kids and family

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  • Yeah- I would have to agree... I would need more info. about that - perhaps a little "something" about it on his website from JM himself. I don’t have any delusions of being "Mrs. Marsters" or even his GF - I’m just a fan. So, whatever he chooses to do won’t affect me watching his acting or music career. But I will mention - he’s very friendly and loveable at his appearances... I know I enjoyed my hugs and kiss. (very sweetly on the cheek.) ;) I am curious - does Patricia ever come to the US to visit with him ? Or is it always James visiting her in Germany ? Anyone know of other visits ? If she hasn’t - it seems a bit odd. Unless he is being protective of their relationship (being under scrutiny here in the US) or being protective of his son. I would be curious to know if she and Sullivan have ever met.

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  • Patricia has visited him here in the US, and in Canada. The one photo, at the top of this page, is with Tom Welling. This was taken on the set of Smallville. One of the other phots, at the top of this page (the one on the beach) was taken when Patricia visited James in Santa Monica.

    I don’t think anyone knows if Patricia has ever met James’ son or niece. But, it’s *rumored* that she hasn’t.

    If you want more information about James and his g/f, you should join a Yahoo Group called Marsters_Sanctuary.

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  • Quote you said the word "VISITED" and those pic where how old 2 maybe 3 yrs old....I may be old fashsion but i always thought unless ur husband was military and at war ya lived together come one what is wrong with this picture if others agree with me that this is really weird speak up..........cause her in germany and him here makes no sense to me.....if she is in college so big deal heck we have great ones here too so thats no excuse either so ....if she is married to him she should be here

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  • Yes, I did say "visited" and yes, those photos are about two years old. Honestly, I don’t believe that James and Patricia are married, but, that’s just me. I’ve always believed that their entire relationship is not based on very solid ground, and is rather odd.

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  • don’t think anyone knows if Patricia has ever met James’ son or niece. But, it’s *rumored* that she hasn’t. If you want more information about James and his g/f, you should join a Yahoo Group called Marsters_Sanctuary

    Actually that should read

    If you want more baseless speculation, unfounded gossip and petty, childish bitca ness about JM and his GF you should join a Yahoo Group called Marsters_Sanctuary

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  • Fine, let me rephrase. If you want the freedom to discuss James and his g/f, in any way you want, without dealing with anger, hostility, or rudeness, you should join a Yahoo Group called Marsters Sanctuary.

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  • LOL !! I’m not out to spread the "itchiness" really - honestly - just curious is all. It does seem a bit strange is all - their relationship. I guess it works for them. I’m only looking at it from my POV - it wouldn’t work for me. Just my on "interpretation" - she’s probably in school and he wants her to finish that. (May even be a point from her parents to him - I know it was when my brother and sister-in-law were dating. Her father said - in no uncertain terms - "she will finish college" ! My brother didn’t argue ! and my parents agreed also... :) ) And James seems to put his kids first. I waited a while before meeting my ex-boyfriend’s kids - until we knew we were serious - although it didn’t work out. I admire him for that. And it’s not cheap flying back and forth from the States to Germany.

    The song "Fall of Night" - although he usually introduces it by saying he was wrong about the reasons behind the song - (and yes - I do realize it’s just a song) do hint that maybe it’s an "open" relationship or that he doesn’t mind if she needs it to be open. He comments "why do I need a wife - I already have kids" and "I travel too much" as if kids are the only reason people get married and a wife wouldn’t be more than willing to travel anywhere he went ! (I would ! ;) )I guess I’m more curious as to whether it will be enough. BUT ! I guess it works for him ! Men are different about this kind of thing anyway...

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  • I Wish wrote : "I guess I’m more curious as to whether it will be enough. BUT ! I guess it works for him ! Men are different about this kind of thing anyway..."

    Well, you have to think that, for James, it is enough, since this relationship has maintained for over three years now. And, if you base the relationship on some of the songs James has written, it seems the overall angst of the relationship has calmed down a lot.

    Where James and Patricia will be, 2 or 3 years from now, is impossible to even speculate about. ;-) I think, her graduating from college, will be a key factor as to where the relationship will go. JMO.

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  • I live in James hometown of Modesto and have seen him often and if he is still with Patricia he is soooooo cheating on her have...I have seen him with a women on many occasions and it isnt just friendly little love pecks I have seen him plant and he cannot seem to keep him hands off her he is always touching and that what I would call pretty close and just a little bit cheating

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  • I attended both concerts that James did in Cardiff, U.K ,and the July concert was attended by Patricia. She remained on the balcony until the end of the set and once in the green room, did nothing but kiss and hug him. I said hi to her as she stood beside me and she turned away from me and walked off. I just see her as insecure and unsure if people would use her as a way to get to James, although I didn’t appreciate the snub , it wouldn’t have hurt to just smile before walking away. Yes James does act differently when she isn’t around, but don’t most couples ? My husband eyes up women and probably does the wolf whistling thing when he’s working, as I tend to have a laugh and enjoy male attention when I’m out with friends. At the end of the day, we’re in love and faithful, flirting is just that. James knows that his female fans love that part of his persona and will use it , heck why shouldn’t he. At his November gig he was more relaxed and he did have a lot of energy and he did flirt ... a lot, Patricia wasn’t there. Make of it what you will, but it did seem to me that he is more out going when she’s absent. If this is due to temper tantrums by the girl, I have no idea. Personally I think his private life should be private, that is what he wants.That is why there are not more photo’s of him with his son and niece on the internet and why there are not hundreds of pictures of him with Patricia.

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  • Quote : "I have seen him plant and he cannot seem to keep him hands off her he is always touching and that what I would call pretty close and just a little bit cheating"

    I guess James is following the advice of an old Steven Stills song...."if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with." LOL

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  • Quote : "I said hi to her as she stood beside me and she turned away from me and walked off. I just see her as insecure and unsure if people would use her as a way to get to James, although I didn’t appreciate the snub , it wouldn’t have hurt to just smile before walking away."

    This is one of the major reasons why I don’t like her. You can see it in the photos above, she comes across as smug and haughty. I get the impression that she thinks she’s better than everyone else. To totally ignore someone who is saying "hello" to her ????? That’s just incredibly rude ! It would have been nothing for her to simply smile and say "hi" before walking away.

    Quote : "James knows that his female fans love that part of his persona and will use it , heck why shouldn’t he. At his November gig he was more relaxed and he did have a lot of energy and he did flirt ... a lot, Patricia wasn’t there. Make of it what you will, but it did seem to me that he is more out going when she’s absent."

    It was Patricia’s choice (mission even !) to get involved with James. She knew very well that he has a lot of female fans who totally LOVE him. For her to expect him to act differently when she’s around is selfish and childish. Oh, wait, she IS a child ! It’s James’ job to be attentive to the fans, since that is what they’re paying for. I’ve heard way too many stories about how James is aloof and distant towards the fans when Patricia is around. If she can’t handle the fan adoration, and expects him to act differently when she’s at his events, then she shouldn’t come to his events.

    Quote : "Personally I think his private life should be private, that is what he wants."

    If he wanted his private life to stay private, then he wouldn’t talk about his g/f during Q & A’s, write songs about her, and bring her to his events. His kids, yes, he keeps fairly private about them (no photos anywhere), but, he does have a tendancy to talk about them, as well, during Q & A’s.

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  • I’ve met his girlfriend

    She is lovely and in no way a child

    She’s in her twenties and a poised, beautiful woman.

    And frankly, having read some of the rubbish posted here I wouldn’t blame her in the least for being a bit wary of certain fans.

    And the suggestion that he shouldn’t be seen with the woman he loves in public and that if she comes to events she should hide is stupid beyond belief . As is the suggestion that by talking about her he is signing away any right to privacy .

    Insane troll logic !

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  • I hope James is in a more normal relationship with someone who’s not just out of her teens and 9000 miles away. He’s a grown man, I imagine having a long distance relationship with a girl is difficult. So if he’s cheating, good on him. Hopefully the new girlfriend is out of her twenties.

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  • Quote : "She’s in her twenties and a poised, beautiful woman."

    Yes, she’s in her early 20’s ; just turned 21 this year. So, barely out of her teens. Oh, well, let’s not forget that James started dating her when she was EIGHTEEN !!!!! Smug can often times come across as poised. And, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Quote : "I wouldn’t blame her in the least for being a bit wary of certain fans."

    This statement is absurd. The girl would have no way of knowing what type of fan is saying "hello" to her. To ignore someone that way is just rude.

    Quote : "And the suggestion that he shouldn’t be seen with the woman he loves in public and that if she comes to events she should hide is stupid beyond belief."

    The suggestion for her not to come to his events was in response to someone commenting about his/her privacy. If he is so concerned with being private about his g/f, then she shouldn’t be trotted around, like a prized horse, for all to see.

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  • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos

    13 décembre 2007 21:11, par I can’t believe you wrote that !

    “The suggestion for her not to come to his events was in response to someone commenting about his/her privacy. If he is so concerned with being private about his g/f, then she shouldn’t be trotted around, like a prized horse, for all to see.”

    Good GRIEF !! I have to say that this is one of the most deeply offensive remarks I’ve ever read on this or any other forum !

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  • Yoga Lady, come on. This is getting rather wanky, n’est pas ? Parading her around like a prize horse ? You have to be kidding me. So James is flaunting his girlfriend by merely being seen in public with her ? Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Patricia ? Do we really need to know everything about her ? Isn’t the Sanctuary enough of a playground to stalk her. Why bring that bile here ?

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  • probably cant go to MS cause they arent worthy of such a place of interest

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  • “Parading her around like a prize horse ? You have to be kidding me. So James is flaunting his girlfriend by merely being seen in public with her ?”

    James was the one, who commented to an audience full of people, as well as the millions who were watching on television, "have you seen my g/f ?" As if she’s something spectacular to behold, as if she’s some prized possession, as if she’s his arm candy. So, yeah, prized horse works for me !

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  • TOUCHE !!!!! Well put love this comment ......I have seen her and she is definately not prize........ maybe just his brood mare .... but either way nothing to behold

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  • Your comments reveal so much about you . And none of it is good . Nasty little comments from nasty little minds.

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  • irk !! what an ugly girl I hate exotic girl with big nose and strange eyes - I’m just jealous because she is fugly.. he has no taste LOL

    he may be desperate ahaha I understand right now why he grabbed the ass of one fan @ collectormania. :-|

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  • I had to laugh at the comment about Patricia being paraded like a prize horse, because my next thought was " Perhaps she’s a good ride ?" I know, I’ve got a dirty mind.

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  • my next thought was " Perhaps she’s a good ride ?"

    Either a good ride, or, no gage reflex. Either way, fun times for James ! LOL

    I know, I’ve got a dirty mind.

    So, what’s wrong with that ???

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  • I know, I’ve got a dirty mind. So, what’s wrong with that ???

    my next thought was " Perhaps she’s a good ride ?" Either a good ride, or, no gage reflex. Either way, fun times for James ! LOL I know, I’ve got a dirty mind. So, what’s wrong with that ??? Did I say I thought having a dirty mind was bad ? But though it may be fun for James it’s whether it’s fun for the female that I’m interested in. Pleasuring a man is fine, but what’s in it for us women ?

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  • Pleasuring a man is fine, but what’s in it for us women ?

    Well, to hear James tell it, he’s a very good lover. I guess only Patricia can attest to this being true or not. ;-)

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  • Pleasuring a man is fine, but what’s in it for us women ? Though I did read that he thought that a woman’s orgasm was her resposiblity not his. Perhaps that was misquoted ?

    As according to James I am a quater of a century (at 55 years old) too old to date, I did not think about him particularly when commenting. Why would anyone think it was a comment regarding his sexual ability ?

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  • Any man, Marsters included, who’s pushing 50 and is going out with a young woman in her early 20s is seriously emotionally backward. It shows someone who is intimidated by his peers so he goes with people he can easily impress. If not emotionally backward, then chronically insecure and immature. She on the other hand is looking for a daddy substitute. Someone to take care of her and someone to make her feel more important. James Marsters’ fame does that for her. I don’t know them but it’s textbook psychology. This kind of thing usually ends badly but who knows maybe the fit of their mutual hang ups work.

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  • It shows someone who is intimidated by his peers so he goes with people he can easily impress. If not emotionally backward, then chronically insecure and immature.

    Exactly ! And when you look at who he hangs out with, his interest in young people does not limit itself to females. When he was with GotR, most of the guys in that band were still in High School. Recently, his new BFF seems to be Gareth Loyd something-or-other, from Torchwood. I’m pretty sure that Gareth is in his early 20’s. So, it seems that James has a difficult time, or, is not comfortable, hanging around with people his own age.

    She on the other hand is looking for a daddy substitute. Someone to take care of her and someone to make her feel more important.

    Yes again ! This is evidenced in the song "Fall of Night" where James seems to think that Patricia was cheating on him. A significant line in this song is, "you tell me he reminds you of your dad." So, it’s obvious that this young girl is looking for a father figure in her life. She’s with James, who’s old enough to be her father, and, it seems she’s cheating on James with someone else who’s old enough to be her dad.

    I don’t know them but it’s textbook psychology.

    It really is.

    This kind of thing usually ends badly but who knows maybe the fit of their mutual hang ups work.

    This "fit of their mutual hang ups" would be considered as co-dependency. But, I really think it’s the geographical distance between them that’s keeping this relationship going. If they were in each other’s lives, on a daily basis, I think they would have split a long time ago.

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  • Five or ten years ago the age difference wouldn’t have mattered. James looked much younger then his actual age. It still would’ve showed something odd about them both but now he looks his age and the photos of the two of them look like a girl and her dad. I guess after forty the years just catch up to eveyone, TV stars included. He still looks very handsome but he looks almost 50, but 50 is the new 40 or so they say.

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  • Five or ten years ago the age difference wouldn’t have mattered.

    Ten years ago, Patricia would have been eleven, while James was 32, so, no, I don’t think that would have worked at all.

    I think it really is all about how James feels about women, in general. There’s obviously some issues there, as he just can’t connect to someone his own age, or, even close to his age. Needing to be with someone 24 years younger, is just a sign of his own insecurities regarding women. Since his divorce, I don’t think he’s dated anyone over the age of 22. And, I really don’t think it’s about how he and Patricia look together. It’s more about, at her age, with her limited life experience, what can she offer him, in terms of mental, emotional, and intellectual support ? When they first started dating, she, at 18, was really still a child. Even now, at 21, there’s still got to be a lot of figureing out who she is, finding herself, setting out her own course and path in life. James has an 11 year old niece that he cares for, and, a son ( about the same age) that he seems to be very devoted to. Is Partticia ready to take on the responsibilities of step-mom, to a couple of kids who are only 10 years younger than her ?

    It will be interesting to see where things go, once she graduates from college.

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  • Well, when I was 22, I dated a man of 42. We had a great time, but parted when he started to talk about children etc...

    Can’t blame people for falling in love - no matter what age ;o)

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  • I just noticed -10 years ago "James was 32 and she was 11" ???? 10 years ago James was 35 years old !! I know he resembles Dorian Gray (without the portrait ?) but the man is 45 you know, born in 1962. She’s 24 years younger than him, not just 21.

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  • Pretty soon with all his other events and things coming on this site will be elimenated.........so we wont be able to post all our nasty little comments about James and his love life..........such will be a sad day cause i kinda like the way ur ppl bash Patty

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  • james likes younger girls becuse they dont want to get married older woman do , and he has said he dosenot want a wife. he is happy , she is too bless them both.

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  • "22 January 2008, by wiccaplum james likes younger girls becuse they dont want to get married older woman do , and he has said he dosenot want a wife. he is happy , she is too bless them both. " Actually I would have thought that the older women who have had children (if they wanted any) and had often already lived as part of "a couple", would be the ones more likely to not be thinking of settling down or (re ?) marrying. :)

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  • Hmm...These pictures are old... Are they together NOW ?

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  • From a Radio Times Interview published yesterday

    What have you been up to on your days off from Torchwood ?

    I do not have them. This is my one day off. I’m spending it with my girlfriend, Patricia, who is my secret weapon : we were doing a fight scene and all the fight crew were busy and I didn’t have the political power to get them to stop doing what they were doing and help me. So I showed the fight moves to my girlfriend and she picked them up in one pass, dude ! So we were backstage doing the moves, and when I was in front of the camera we got it real quick.

    The same with lines - I show up better prepared for this role than any other in my life. Just because anything that I do with Patricia is real fun. So if we’re doing lines or if we’re cooking dinner - whatever it is - it’s heaven. I just got a kiss for that - right on.

    So yes

    Still very much together :)

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  • The comment that James made about his girlfriend finding it hot seeing him and Captain Jack kissing referred to the work done in July 2007 and she may have joined him in Cardiff in November 2007. The articles were written some time after the shooting of the action but there’s no way for us to know when that was. He certainly praised her in glowing terms, but who knows what the present situation is ?

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  • “He certainly praised her in glowing terms, but who knows what the present situation is ?”

    Previous to this interview, James was very hesitant to speak about his g/f, saying, at the Cardiff event, that he didn’t want to make her famous. There are some who are speculating that the only reason why he’s praising Patricia so much is to assure the public that he is not gay. Having done the kissing scene with an openly gay actor may have been jarring for James. Oh, and I do believe, this interview was done around the time the first Torchwood episode was filmed ; that was in July. So, really, who knows how things might be between them now. But, if James really is as happy as he sounds in the interview, then may he and Particia have a long, happy life together.

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  •  :((((((((((Great ! They are happy....Whell if they’re...so be it :((( I have no words...only tears...happy and sad tears Realy, if he is happy, then and I am too :(

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  • "But, if James really is as happy as he sounds in the interview, then may he and Particia have a long, happy life together."

    If he’s seeing her only when he’s in Europe and when she can have time in the US, at the moment a happy life together might be something of an overstatement of the situation. It will be interesting to see what happens when she leaves college. (Or becomes a woman ?)

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  • “If he’s seeing her only when he’s in Europe and when she can have time in the US, at the moment a happy life together might be something of an overstatement of the situation.”

    Maybe this is all James wants out of a relationship. Someone he can see when he feel like it, and, someone to call "my girlfriend" when talking to family, fans and friends.

    “It will be interesting to see what happens when she leaves college. (Or becomes a woman ?)”

    There are those who would argue that being 21 years old, is a woman. Grant it, he started dating Patricia when she had just turned 18 ; that always made me uncomfortable. But, yes, I agree with you that, her graduating from college may have significant impact on the relationship....or not. Who knows ?

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  • (Or becomes a woman ?)” My daughters are both older than Patricia and though they are legally women until they have their own families I’m afraid they will still be "my girls" and possibly longer than that too. While she’s at college/university she’s still a girl. Note, both my daughter graduated with 2.1s Very intelligent but still "My girls". ;)

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  • I think the statement becomes a woman means when she has passed 30 cause that seems be his cut off point for dating...If she makes it this far power to her she has done better than most cause he dont keep GF’s very long..........I have know James for mnay yrs........I live in his home town and have seen it many times

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  • “I think the statement becomes a woman means when she has passed 30 cause that seems be his cut off point for dating...”

    Hmmm, interesting ! I guess considering when someone is a woman is a very subjective thing. Depending on individual circumstances, a young female might be forced to mature earlier in life...i.e. having deadbeat parents and having to take care of younger siblings, or, being a run-away and having to survive on her own, possibly living on the streets. I guess is really depends on the females overall life experiences and level of intelligence that will determine how "womanly" or "worldly" she is.

    From things I’ve read and heard, I get the impression that Patricia is still very young, mentally and emotionally. Having only graduated from High School two years ago, I believe she took a year off and did some type of internship at a communications company, and only this past year, has entered fashion design school. I don’t think she’s lead the "hard knocks" type of life that would force her to grow up quickly. She really was just a young fan-girl when she met James.

    “If she makes it this far power to her she has done better than most cause he dont keep GF’s very long..........”

    But, to hear James tell it, it’s the girlfriends that are always breaking up with him. He makes it sound like he would never have broken up with any of his previous g/f’s, that they left him.

    “I live in his home town and have seen it many times”

    I’m very curious, what, exactly, have you seen ?

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  • Lets put it this way a Lady never kisses and tells but.........James isnt as innocent as ppl may think.......he had quite a few ladies in school and has a few here in town on the side...........one in particular he has been seen with on many occasions here in town.......i know her name but will never telll because he asked me not to..........he wants to keep her sort of a secret for the media i guess

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  • If James is really keeping a secret girlfriend on the side I think he’s finally smartening up. His big mistake was flaunting his extremely young German girlfriend at some European convention and then talking about it. For a man his age it was very unseemly and unwise. Too many questions about her age and when they first got together. It doesn’t take a math genius to figure she was right on the line of the age of consent. He was being a man thinking with his johnson and a skewed sense of right and wrong. Secret or not I hope this other girl is at least a little bit older.

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  • Re the messages from "Pinky" and "A Friiend" one wonders if perhaps Patti is his "display" girlfriend, for show and to prove how he is young (at heart ?) and desirable ? Possibly reality is not the same as the show ? I guess she would be a good smokescreen for a RL love interest. Then the question is who was playing around or was the focus of the "navel gazing" songs ? Patti or MsX ?

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  • Yes actually she is ....by anywhere to 5 to 10 yrs older .depending on how old Patty really is.......I am not sure exactly how old Patty is cause I have heard 2 or 3 different ages for her......but the one here is at least 29 or orlder......and i too hope he is getting a bit smarter............James is a very sweet man but ur right he does think with his Johson always has even in school.........

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  • one in particular he has been seen with on many occasions here in town.......i know her name but will never telll because he asked me not to..........he wants to keep her sort of a secret for the media i guess

    I’m sorry, but, I just don’t believe this. It was just reported that Patricia has been on the set of the Dragonball movie, with James, and the two of them are inseparable. It was also reported that she was on the set of one of his Torchwood episodes, where she helped him with stunts and lines. So, either he’s using her terribly, or, he’s very much in love with her. James has never seemed like someone who would use people. While I’m not thrilled that she’s so much younger than him, or, that she was a fan, things do seem to be working out between them. If it’s what James wants, and, if this is what is going to keep him happy and healthy, that’s all that should matter.

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  • I am not sure exactly how old Patty is

    Patricia is 21 years old. Her birthday is April 18. When she met James, she had just turned 18, the week before.

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  • i believe he could have other interest but keeps Patty close so he can reassure himself that he can still get younger woman to care even if he is 25 yrs older .........makes us guys feel good knowing we can get the young chicks ..........come on ladies lay off the man just because Patty is out in the public and stuff doesnt mean he cant get something on the side in the old home town..........heck a guy can only go so long with out a lady

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  • This talk of his girlfriend on the Dragonball set, were they inseperable because she couldn’t stay long and was it actually Patti ? I just saw girl friend, that might just mean a female friend/relative possibly. Though I’m sure that Patti would love to be there, isn’t she supposed to be a student ? That usually (well in most countries) means one has to spend just a little time studying. (Her subject, not James, though I admit studying James wouldn’t be a chore for anyone surely. :)

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  • This talk of his girlfriend on the Dragonball set, were they inseperable because she couldn’t stay long and was it actually Patti ?

    I guess no one, but the person who reported this, knows for certain.

    “isn’t she supposed to be a student ? That usually (well in most countries) means one has to spend just a little time studying.”

    Yes, she’s supposed to be studying fashion design at some College in Germany. Maybe she’s on her Spring Break.

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  • Eyeore said "Yes, she’s supposed to be studying fashion design at some College in Germany. Maybe she’s on her Spring Break." Spromg Break in Fevruary ? I know Germany is in Europe, The temperature is under 10C there at the moment, it’s 44 - 33 F. Doesn’t sound very Spring like to me. She could have arranged time off from college, perhaps for the cultural experience which might sound better than going off with my lover ?

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  • I am studying in Germany and there is a semster break right now (February and March). Though she is at college I suppose it is likely to be the same for her.

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  • It still doesn’t seem very spring like in Germany. Still I guess that when she’s cold James can fly her off to join him.. I wonder if she’ll join him in the UK for the events in late April early May ? It’s well after Easter, which is when UK students will be off lectures.

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  • James and his chick make a pretty cool couple but honestly, how old is she ? She looks to be in her mid 20’s which would put her about 20 yrs younger than him- yikes, a little cradle robbing eh ?

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  • OK, I like James Marsters but having a girlfriend who is 21 (and to start dating her at 18) is really kind of sick. Maybe he’s making up for not having dates in high school (he said it not me) but the thought of hooking up with someone so young makes my skin crawl. Also, if half of what people here say about her is true (the neckalce story) she sounds like a user/loser. He always seemed to be more intelligent than that. I’ve actually lost some repect for him as I’m typing this message. Sorry James, but that’s just wrong, man !!

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  • James and his chick make a pretty cool couple but honestly, how old is she ? She looks to be in her mid 20’s which would put her about 20 yrs younger than him- yikes, a little cradle robbing eh ?

    She’s 21 years old, James is 45 years old. He’s 24 years older than she is. Easily old enough to be her father ! But, this is nothing new for James. Since he divorced his wife, who was the same age as he is, he’s been with one 18 year old after the other. I can’t say that I’ve ever heard about him dating anyone over the age of 22.

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  • Sometimes I think that part of James is imitating Peter Pan, the Boy Who Never Grew Up. The part of him that cares for his son and niece is resposible and adult, but sometimes the childlike/adolescent side comes to the fore. A multi facetted man/boy !

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  • How could such a beautiful man be with such an ugly woman. James you should reconsider looking for a much beautiful woman you can basically have any one you want Why her ? what makes her so special ?

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  • Why her ? what makes her so special ?

    First off, she was the age that James likes most—18. Second, according to James, it was she who pursued him. Something about exchanging phone numbers...he lost her’s...she got his wrong, then took 6 months of dialing different combinations of numbers, before finally reaching him. He must have felt very flattered, having an 18 year old girl, track him down like that.

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  • Personally I feel that this man has worked hard to look as gorgeous as he is, and if he wants a 20 something aged woman then he can have her.

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  • Personally I feel that this man has worked hard to look as gorgeous as he is,

    Worked hard in what way ? I remember him being asked about his beauty regimen and he said that he didn’t do anything special to look the way he does. He said he has good genes.

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    • Okay, how many 45 year old men do you know that look that good ? And it seems a lot of you hate the fact that he is good looking and he KNOWS it. He isn’t humble about it. Would you like it if you told your boyfriend or husband that they look sexy and they say, "Not really" ? Humble can be a turn off just like arrogance. Just depends on who you are.

      Also, it has been said that he really isn’t as smart as he puts on. Well I read a lot of what he has said along with that I read his Q & A’s on his site every month, and if that isn’t intelligent, then he has got me fooled.

      And who said you had to have a masters to be intelligent ?

      Plus, he’s a celebrity. How "normal" do you expect him to act ?

      This is America and if any 45 year old man wants to date a 18 year old woman he can if she wants to date him as well. And I’m 22 and I would certainly date him.

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  • AHA ! Her birthday is April 18th. That makes her an Aries... I don’t know gals - an Aries-Leo combination is called "a match made in the heavens". They will get along VERY well - truly.

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  • 20 February 2008, by I Wish. AHA ! Her birthday is April 18th. That makes her an Aries... I don’t know gals - an Aries-Leo combination is called "a match made in the heavens". ong VERY well - truly.

    A match made in heaven is great,, but it may only br tue in heaven, wand they are on Earth and only see each other occasionally, which IMHO is a large factor in this relationship lasting so long (for James). I do hope that he can find happiness in the long term, but how long term this will be (in terms of their life together, if they ever actually get together) is perhaps in question.

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  • I agree Sceptic - I wouldn’t last that long ! I don’t "do" long-distance relationshiips - I have too many trust issues ! But if they ever get past the distance - say after she graduate - could be a very good match.

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  • Hmmn. Are we mad that she’s so young ? Or that someone we would like delivered bedside, spread on toast, with fresh orange juice, is flouting our fantasies ? Me ? I think he’s a better actor than the work he’s doing—or even getting submitted on. But better a german fashion student than an LA bimbot. We should all get a shot at the big L—love, I mean.

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  • Hmmn. Are we mad that she’s so young ?

    I don’t know if people are mad, that she’s so young. But, I do think some people think it’s unsavory, for a 45 year old man to be dating someone who is young enough to be his offspring. I mean, 24 years difference in age is really a big difference. Also, from what I’ve been reading, it seems that Patricia was just a fan, who was actually picked out, by one of the other band members of GotR, to go backstage and hang out with the band. This, sort of, makes some people believe that she is nothing more than a groupie. Whatever. James is with her right now, and, he seems happy, so, I guess that’s a good thing.

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  • I agree that it is a good thing that James is happy. However I’d like the boy to be with someone who will make him happy for the rest of his life, if that’s what he wants. But I’d like to know why 26 February 2008, by mara Hmmn. Are we mad that she’s so young ? Or that someone we would like delivered bedside, spread on toast, with fresh orange juice, is flouting our fantasies ? Me ? I think he’s a better actor than the work he’s doing—or even getting submitted on. But better a german fashion student than an LA bimbot. We should all get a shot at the big L—love, I mean. Better a German fashion student ? There is something better about German fashion students, that means they can’t be bimbots ? Germany is better than LA for producing quality females is it mara ? Or do you assume that a Fashion student is some sort of class above other people ? Just a little confused here.

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  • Or do you assume that a Fashion student is some sort of class above other people ? Just a little confused here. I think mara is making a generalization. Believing that all women who live in LA are bimbots, as well as believing that, just becasue Patricia is a student, she isn’t a bimbot.

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  • I think that generaisation is somewhat of an under statement. Perhaps insult to all the women in LA might be closer, but as I’m British I don’t really care how much other countries get insulted. :shrugs :

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  • If as Steve says, James is spending almost two weeks in London, perhaps he’ll be spending part of the time with his young lady/girl ? Because from the current itinary there are two concerts, one event and photos and signings at Collectormania. James has been busy though, he deserves a rest and time with those he loves.

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  • If as Steve says, James is spending almost two weeks in London, perhaps he’ll be spending part of the time with his young lady/girl ?

    I’m sure he will be, especially since that will be right around the time of her birthday. It wouldn’t surprise me if she attended some of the events he’ll be doing.

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  • 8 March 2008, by Eyeore If as Steve says, James is spending almost two weeks in London, perhaps he’ll be spending part of the time with his young lady/girl ? I’m sure he will be, especially since that will be right around the time of her birthday. It wouldn’t surprise me if she attended some of the events he’ll be doing.

    Well let’s hope that they don’t have a row until the end of Collectormania, or at least until after the gigs are over. Happy James makes for good gigs, unhappy James, not quite so much fun. I expect that they snatch every chance to be together at the moment. I wonder if she’ll move to the US to be with him if/when she graduates ?

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  • Well let’s hope that they don’t have a row until the end of Collectormania, or at least until after the gigs are over.

    Hmmm, this is an interesting statement. Do they row often ? I’ve heard that James can be very different, from performance to performance, but, I didn’t think that his g/f had anything to do with that. What can you tell us ?

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  • If you read up om the reports of the British gigs James has done Eyeore, you will see how his performance and the focus of it changes depending on his relationship. Sometimes singing certain songs he has been almost in tears, notably when she was absent and around when he wrote London Town and Finer than Gold.. That is one thing I do envy the US gigs over, she visits the UK much more frequently (and easily) than the US. On the other hand that is undountedly one of the reasons that James likes spending time in Europe so much.

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  • Listen, I was a huge James Marsters fan until I started reading about his focus on dating 18 year olds after his divorce. Midlife crisis much ? Does he drive something "red, shiny and shaped like a penis" ? But I digress, if his current girlfriend/child actually threw a gold necklace, that he gave her ,back at him because it didn’t go with her complexion — all I have to say is - what color is she, purple ?? What complexion looks bad with a gold chain ? If you ask me (and I know you didn’t) this girl is a spoiled bitch who knows how to manipulate men. As for James, I hate to say it but, he really must be an incredibly insecure person to need 18 yr. olds to make him feel all manly and by the sounds of it, he’s pussy-whipped. He has plummetted off of my radar. A guy in his mid 40s dating a girl who just turned 18 (cradle-robbing) is beyond creepy no matter who you are, what you do, how popular you are, what you look like, or how much money you make. His ex-wife is looking smarter every day.

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  • I can’t take all the people who write in here and say "gee, as long as he’s happy everything is OK". You know what, it’s not OK for a 45 year-old man to date nothing but 18 & 20 year olds. It’s actually kind of perverted. That’s right, I said it ! Half the people that say it’s OK would be tripping if their 18 year-old daughter came home with a 45 year old man. Just cause he’s famous doesn’t mean it’s OK. Grow up !

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  • “You know what, it’s not OK for a 45 year-old man to date nothing but 18 & 20 year olds. It’s actually kind of perverted.”

    I completely agree with you. In fact, there are a number of people who used to be fans of James, but, dropped out of the fandom once they found out that he was dating an 18 year old. I think his behavior is just a reflection of how messed up he is, regarding women. Having my 18 year old daughter date a 45 year old man ??? Perish the thought, however, at 18 she is legal and there wouldn’t be a blessed thing I could do about it.

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  • junie, what kind of fan were you ever ? # 1 patricia is going to be 22 april 18 not a child , and i can see why he likes younger ladys you older ladys are jaded . you think all people have to fit your way or no way. i feel sorry for you. you should like him for his acting & singing not his personal life its not like he is a criminal ,but you sure like to make him out to be one

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  • Re 14 March 2008, by wiccaplum ...and i can see why he likes younger ladys you older ladys are jaded . you think all people have to fit your way or no way. i feel sorry for you. you should like him for his acting & singing not his personal life its not like he is a criminal ,but you sure like to make him out to be one Thank you for your condemnation of the entire group of "older ladies" here, I have never condemned James for liking younger girls, though I did comment that as Patricia is younger than both my daughters, so of course I see her a little more than a child. But thanks for telling me that I am jaded and that you with your wealth of knowledge and experience have come to this conclusion without meeting or knowing me. I expect better judgement from my children, but then they are university graduands and 23 & 28 years old.

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  • “its not like he is a criminal ,but you sure like to make him out to be one”

    In what way am I making him out to be a criminal ? Please point out exactly what it was that I posted that makes him a criminal ? YOU are the one who is associating his name with the word "criminal" not me. Sure, I pointed out that his behavior leads me to bleive that he has issues with women, can’t relate to women his own age, feels more secure and comfortable with younger women ; I can’t get any clearer on this. And why get in my face about what I said, I was simply agreeing with racketter and taggin, why don’t you comment on what they posted ?

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  • But thanks for telling me that I am jaded and that you with your wealth of knowledge and experience have come to this conclusion without meeting or knowing me. I expect better judgement from my children,

    That’s rich coming from someone so judgemental about a man you don’t know and a woman you don’t know and have never met .Maybe your children would expect better judgement from their mother ?

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  • OK, I’ve got to come to Junie’s defense here. The fact is, if James had just happened to meet this young girl and they hit it off and had a lot in common, MAYBE, I’d think it was OK. The truth is, that he has dated nothing but 18-20 yr. olds since his divorce. That’s making a concerted effort to get young women (really young) - which is kind of sleezy. Also, he actually said at a convention, that ’all men are only attracted to women in their 20s or younger’. That, is bullshit, pure and simple. He apparently felt the need to justify who he dates. Anyone would find someone nice-looking, in shape, and in their 20s , attractive (physically) but it’s incredibly rare to find any true common ground with that person on which to base a relationship. Let’s face it, his son, probably has more in common with his girlfriend than he does. And another thing, when it comes to celebrities who make their living off of fans watching their movies and shows, I think it’s perfectly OK to be concerned with what they do in their private life. When I decide to be a fan of someone, it’s because they’re a good actor AND a decent person. Lastly, why does anyone assume that those of us who don’t like the fact that he dates only 18-20 yr. olds are all middle age ? Cause you’re wrong if you do. If James thought his relationship wasn’t a little off, he wouldn’t be mad about the pictures being shown and would just talk about his girlfriend , instead of being vague about it. It’s clear James has issues that he needs to address.

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  • 15 March 2008, by nibblet But thanks for telling me that I am jaded and that you with your wealth of knowledge and experience have come to this conclusion without meeting or knowing me. I expect better judgement from my children, That’s rich coming from someone so judgemental about a man you don’t know and a woman you don’t know and have never met .Maybe your children would expect better judgement from their mother ?

    It is judgemental to think that someone the age of my children as also being a child ? Wow !! I must be a horrible person mustn’t I ? I was one of the ones that said if the relationship was what they both wanted at the moment there was nothing wrong with it. Your right I guess, to say that something is not really my business is (in some eyes) a cardinal sin.Or did you think that everyone that forgets to put a nametag or doesn’t want to is all the same person ?

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  • The truth is, that he has dated nothing but 18-20 yr. olds since his divorce. That’s making a concerted effort to get young women (really young) - which is kind of sleezy. Also, he actually said at a convention, that ’all men are only attracted to women in their 20s or younger’.

    1.Actually he has dated women of various ages since his divorce and for several years didn’t date at all.

    2. He said nothing of the sort at that convention and your putting it in quote marks is disingenous . He was talking about the theory of the biological imperative which makes men more likely to be attracted to women with the )( shape than the ( ) or even the II . So that means that men are programmed biologically to be attracted to the traditional curvy shape of a fertile woman . It’s about fertility . It wasn’t about age it was about body shape. Also he was talking about something he’d watched and found interesting on the Discovery Channel, not about his own preferences.

    And he’s very open about his current relationship and talks about how his girfriend is his muse , but I wonder how many of us would like to have our private photographs stolen and spread round the internet ? And our private lives discussed in this manner .

    I really do wish that some of the posters here would spend more time sorting out their own issues and less time fretting about the issues they’ve invented for a man they know nothing about.

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  • “1.Actually he has dated women of various ages since his divorce and for several years didn’t date at all.”

    Yeah, various ages—18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, and maybe topping it off at 25 ! *hehe* And the year’s he didn’t date, wasn’t he putting into practice, what the song "Bad" describes ???

    Regarding the "biological imperative" speech, you are spot on with the ( ), )(, [ ], however, while he didn’t actually say that older women were undesireable, it was implied ; at the very least, many women in the audience took it in a very negative way. Whether this was his opinion or something he was just regurgittating something he watched on Discovery, he never mentioned watching anything, or, said that his theories were based on anything he watched on TV or read in a book. How are we supposed to know that these opinions weren’t *his* opinions ? In his defense, there were a number of fans who said, "Oh, he must have been watching something on the Discover Channel, to come up with this stuff." But, NOTHING was ever actually said about him watching anythiing. There was never any transcript of this Q & A, so, over time, I’m sure there’s no way to quote him accurately. However, I was there, and the overall concensus from many of the other women there was, he has little use for older women. Now, considering the ages of the women he dates, I’d say, for him, "older" is anyone over 25 !

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  • What amuses me is the fact that my beautiful intelligent daughter (who James exoressed admiration for, without knowing her age) is 28. I always said She was too old for him. :) (She said HE was too old for her, as "He’s old enough to be my FATHER !!" But isn’t. :(, ;)

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  • To Riftserfer, Just to be clear " " indicates a qoute. While ’ ’ indicates that one is paraphrasing, which is giving the idea of what was said, not the exact qoute. Lesson 1 is now over.

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  • Unfortunately, the truth is that James has not dated women his own age. When he got divorced he dated an 18 yr. old (for about 3 yrs.) and hasn’t picked them much older since then. It’s OK if you’re a fan of James but you should understand that a lot of people don’t think too highly of his dating choices. I agree with the post that talked about how your reaction would be if your 18 yr. old daughter came home with a 40-45 yr. old man. And as to the post that talks about it being his private life, well, like taggin said, if you make your money off of the people that watch your stuff, you should expect people to want to know more about you. Anyone who goes into the entertainment industry is well aware that their private life could be discussed, so they should "act accordingly" or accept the consequences.

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  • To Anonymous : I’ll have to agree with you, your daughter IS intelligent if she said James was too old for her !! lol

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  • 17 mars 2008, by taggin To Riftserfer, Just to be clear " " indicates a qoute. While ’ ’ indicates that one is paraphrasing, which is giving the idea of what was said, not the exact qoute. Lesson 1 is now over. Thanks for the lesson ,it would have been interesting if it wasn’t entirely wrong.

    Back to school :) http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_quote.html

    "quotation marks" indicate directly quoted speech Direct quotations are another person’s exact words—either spoken or in print—incorporated into your own writing.

    Indirect quotations are not exact words but rather rephrasings or summaries of another person’s words. Do not use quotation marks for indirect quotations.

    Quotation within a quotation Use single quotation marks for a quotation enclosed inside another quotation. For example :

    The agricultural reporter for the newspaper explained, "When I talked to the Allens last week, they said, ’We refuse to use that pesticide.’ "

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  • Thanks for the english lesson Riftsufer.....but.who really cares.......who said what in proper english.....it is just here to express opinions

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  • To Riftserfer, Of course, you missed the point again. Firstly, I didn’t use a quote within a quote AND the point was that I was NOT directly quoting him. You really must have a lot of time on your hands. Get some friends, or a hobby, or a dog.....

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  • I’m sure a lot of people are going to be pissed off by this post but, so what ! Marsters is nothing but a big phoney. Here’s why : 1) He acts like he’s so well-read and intelligent when all he has is a high school education (got kicked out of Julliard). Now that would be OK if he didn’t strut around pontificating like he was a Rhodes scholar. 2) He always talks about raising his son, how his wife left him (to raise his son without her) and how everything he does is about his kid. Well, I have no doubt that he loves and adores his son, however, it should be said that his son lives with his ex-wife who has done a terrific job of raising him. She the one responsible for the kid and he should give her some credit. 3) He talks to fans like he’s really interested in them and projects this "I like people for who they are" attitude and how it’s great to be a "freak" but the real situation is that he’s an insecure, middle-aged man having an extended midlife crisis, who will only date women half his age (or younger) to make up for all the times in high school he couldn’t get a date because he was a geek. He wouldn’t date a so-called "freak" if his life depended on it. (The high school stuff he said at a convention). So, all I can say about James Marsters is GROW UP, your act is getting old (just like you).

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  • I’m sure a lot of people are going to be pissed off by this post but, so what ! I’m sure some will, since most James fans are a little OTT with their love and devotion to him. As far as I’m concerned, you can say whatever you want, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But, there are some things I’d like to clear up.

    Marsters is nothing but a big phoney. Marsters is an actor, and does whatever he needs to do to sell tickets to his events and have his fans coming back to see him, over and over again. I’ve never had any doubts that he’s acting, when he’s with his fans, but, so does every other celebrity that does conventions and personal appearances. I don’t fault him for doing his job really well.

    He acts like he’s so well-read and intelligent when all he has is a high school education (got kicked out of Julliard). Now that would be OK if he didn’t strut around pontificating like he was a Rhodes scholar. No, he never graduated from Julliard, but, I do believe he has more than a H.S. education. In any case, even if all he has is a H.S. education, he can still be "well-read." There are many people, in the world, who are self-taught, simply by reading. I do believe James is a voracious reader.

    He always talks about raising his son, how his wife left him (to raise his son without her) and how everything he does is about his kid. Well, I have no doubt that he loves and adores his son, however, it should be said that his son lives with his ex-wife who has done a terrific job of raising him. She the one responsible for the kid and he should give her some credit. James has never said that he takes care of his son. He has admitted that his son lives with his ex-wife, and, he has given her credit to her for doing a fantastic job raising him. James takes care of his niece. She’s been living with him for the past 5 years.

    He talks to fans like he’s really interested in them and projects this "I like people for who they are" attitude and how it’s great to be a "freak" but the real situation is that he’s an insecure, middle-aged man having an extended midlife crisis, who will only date women half his age (or younger) to make up for all the times in high school he couldn’t get a date because he was a geek. He wouldn’t date a so-called "freak" if his life depended on it. LOL. I’m going to have to agree with you on this one. I don’t believe that James would give a second look to a woman/girl who was overweight or unattractive. Also, his consistency in dating women half his age is a little bizarre. But, it’s his mid-life crisis and there’s really nothing anyone can do about it. If he’s happy in his relationship with Patricia (or any younger women), that really is his business and nothing we should get too crazy over. Truth be told, I don’t think he’s a very happy man at all. I think he pretends to be happy, or, wants everyone around him to believe that he’s happy, but, I think he has issues and demons that will haunt him for the rest of his life, no matter who he’s involved with. So, all I can say about James Marsters is GROW UP, your act is getting old (just like you). Yes, he is getting older. I wonder for how much longer will he be able to attract 18 year old girls. And, as immature as he is, how much longer will Patricia be with him. With each passing year, she gets more and more mature (one would think), while he will always be the way he is now. But, I could be wrong, and Patricia is not maturing, as she gets older, and they will have a long, happy relationship together.

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  • Geez, Eyeore, I don’t think when Max said James wouldn’t be seen with a "freak" that he actually meant overweight/unattractive women. That’s freakin’ harsh. The "freaks" that James talks about are usually the folks that are a little outside the mainstream in their thinking, style of dress etc. And I do think that James only has a H.S. education and there’s nothing wrong with that but Max has a point about the pontificating. Just cause you read a lot doesn’t mean that you know a lot. lol

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  • As far as I’m concerned, you can say whatever you want, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But, there are some things I’d like to clear up.- Eyeore

    Well, Eyeore, I can’t say that I agree with you completely but that was a really good post. Of course, he’s still kind of a poser to me. LOL

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  • Geez, Eyeore, I don’t think when Max said James wouldn’t be seen with a "freak" that he actually meant overweight/unattractive women.

    Out of all the women James has dated (or been in relationships with), and there have been many, have you ever seen him with someone overweight or unattractive ? James has a very specific type—very young, petite, exotic looking, long hair. He seldom veers off of this track. ....that was a really good post—max tudor

    Many thanks. And while I’m here, would you care to describe what you meant when you said James wouldn’t date a freak ? In your opinion, how would you describe a freak ?

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  • perso elle est hideuse y’a que c’est yeux qui sont potables...et encore mais le reste eurk !on voit touuut ses défaut quand elle est de profil !!beuk ! James mérite mieux que ce vieux thon !=S

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  • Man this site is getting as bad as Marsters Santuary........gets pretty deep there too

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  • And while I’m here, would you care to describe what you meant when you said James wouldn’t date a freak ? In your opinion, how would you describe a freak ? OK, what I meant by "freak" is some of the, I guess, "outlandish" people that are at some conventions (ie women w/shaved heads and 1 or 2 braided tails on their head, people who dress as characters from the show - a lot). That’s just an EXAMPLE, please. no one take offense. I do admire folks with the guts to "be who they are" and I personally don’t think of them as "freaks". James always seems to be drawn to these people at Q&A or even at concerts, making positive references to "freaks" and including himself as one. While, unfortunately, a good number of those people MAY be unattractive or even overweight, my general idea of what James refers to as "freaks" are the off-beat, dare I say "visually odd" folks. HOWEVER, having said that, I agree 100% with Eyeore that James wouldn’t be seen with any overweight and/or unattractive women. He actually answered a question about that once. Someone asked if he would date a pretty woman with who he had nothing in common or an unattractive woman with whom he had a "connection". He said he pick "the latter" but I think we all know that he was giving the PC answer and that hell would freeze over the day James dates an unattractive or overweight woman.LOL Hope I haven’t been too wordy.

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  • Someone asked if he would date a pretty woman with who he had nothing in common or an unattractive woman with whom he had a "connection". He said he pick "the latter" but I think we all know that he was giving the PC answer and that hell would freeze over the day James dates an unattractive or overweight woman.LOL

    Of course he was going to be PC. He’s smart enough to know not to alienate hundreds of his fans by saying, "Oh, no, I’m only going to date beautiful women." When he’s really thinking about what he’s saying, he can and does say the right thing.

    I haven’t been too wordy.

    Not nearly as wordy as I was. ;-)

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  • 22 mars 2008, by Eyeore Someone asked if he would date a pretty woman with who he had nothing in common or an unattractive woman with whom he had a "connection". He said he pick "the latter" but I think we all know that he was giving the PC answer and that hell would freeze over the day James dates an unattractive or overweight woman.LOL Of course he was going to be PC. He’s smart enough to know not to alienate hundreds of his fans by saying, "Oh, no, I’m only going to date beautiful women." When he’s really thinking about what he’s saying, he can and does say the right thing.

    Of course there are times when James appears not to stop to think. :) Well, aren’t there ? Too old to date at 30 !! He’s lucky some women don’t have the same standards isn’t he ? LOL

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  • I’ve got to agree that "burned" is full of horse sh*t with her story about spending the night with James but she definitely got the description of his manager right on the mark - "squirly" (squirrely ?). I think slimy weasel is a more accurate description but I can live with "squirly".

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    • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos 2 août 2008 06:45, par A person who dislikes Steve Himber
      I think so too.... but she was right about Steve Himber...I met that man and he has down right lost it or is about 10 french fries short of a Happy Meal....

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      • Wow, you two really don’t like James’ manager ! I don’t get it, how do you even come in contact with James’ manager ? What did he do to make you dislike him so much ?

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        • James Marsters -manager, Steve Himber 14 août 2008 03:00, par Kracken
          Have you ever been to a JM con ? You see Steve Himber on stage as much as James. He’s an annoying, wannabe celebrity with no class. At one con he was actually taking over the mic at a Q & A and asking James idiotic, juvenile questions filled with what he though was clever sexual innuendo. He’s a loser. James is his meal-ticket and he knows it. When he took over, all of James’ appearances were suddenly done by Himber Entertainment and the price of tickets went through the roof (more $ for Steve off of gullible fans). Only after lots of emails complaining that folks couldn’t afford a weekend event that would end up costing over $2500.00 ,did he actually start putting James back at the bigger cons. I don’t know if anyone here remembers when Julie Caitlin Brown was his convention manager, but she was great. She didn’t take any sh*t from anybody but was completely approachable and fair about anything that went on at the con. Steve Himber is a condescending, weasel who, IMO, has hurt James’ career more than helped it. Yikes, sorry for the ramble but you did ask.

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          • James Marsters -manager, Steve Himber 15 août 2008 01:38, par Curious
            Thanks for the reply, Kracken. I’ve never been to a James event. Read alot of transcripts from Q & A’s, but, not much about his manager.

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          • Comment Regarding James Marsters Manager

            I phoned one night to ask him for information on james marsters producer.

            I was so upset by this mans aggressive attitude on the phone. He was very aggressive from start to finish.

            When he answewed the phone he said Hello Steve Himber here how can I help you I said i am calling from Ireland and would like the number for james marsters producer can you help me .

            Well what he said next was : There is no fucking james marsters here will you go and fuck off. Then he said if you call here again i will get the cops and the army on to you

            THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME

            Voir en ligne : James Marsters -manager, Steve Himber

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          • Comment Regarding James Marsters Manager

            I phoned one night to ask him for information on james marsters producer.

            I was so upset by this mans aggressive attitude on the phone. He was very aggressive from start to finish.

            When he answewed the phone he said Hello Steve Himber here how can I help you I said i am calling from Ireland and would like the number for james marsters producer can you help me .

            Well what he said next was : There is no fucking james marsters here will you go and fuck off. Then he said if you call here again i will get the cops and the army on to you

            THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME

            Voir en ligne : James Marsters -manager, Steve Himber

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  • Why do we all care so much about who James is with ?

    I mean as long as he’s happy we should be happy for him. It’s hard enough to find someone to be with in this busy (and sometimes crazy) world. And whether he chooses to be with a 22, 24 or whatever aged woman it shouldn’t really matter. Everyone is different. And from what I’ve seen of him he is 45, but he acts younger than that. That’s who he is.

    Can’t we all get along and talk about how gorgeous he is ? :-)

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    • “Can’t we all get along and talk about how gorgeous he is ? :-)”

      And continue to sexually objectify him ? As a fan of his, is that all you see ? Some gorgeous, sexy guy ? Is that all there is to him as far as you’re concerned ? How sad for him !

      “I mean as long as he’s happy we should be happy for him.”

      And what makes you so sure that he’s happy ? I was at The Rift event, let me tell you, he was NOT a happy man, not even a little bit. He was depressed, morose, and drunk !

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      • I’m not trying to objectify him at all. I was just trying to find some common ground for all his fans to agree on. And I’m guessing most of us here are his fans so that’s why I said it.

        I was happy to learn he watches ’Mythbusters’ on TV like I do. I guess if I sexually objectified him I wouldn’t care. That’s just one example by the way.

        Also, I’m not saying he’s happy now, I’m just saying when he is happy we should be happy as his fans that he’s happy.

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  • Hope he’s in a better mood for Dragon Con in Atlanta. I did notice he hasn’t posted an invitation for a fan cocktail party like he did last year. Wonder if he is taking precautions against what happened at the Rift. That’s too bad. Hopefully he’s rested up and in better spirits. And hopefully - he won’t bring the GF.

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    • “Wonder if he is taking precautions against what happened at the Rift.”

      LOL. I was thinking the same thing—maybe he’s not having a private party because he doesn’t want to be tempted to drink a lot. You know, he was also drunk at the private party, in Atlanta, last year. He told a fan, the next day during autographs, that he woke up with a bad hangover.

      IF he’s still with Patricia, I don’t think she’d be at DC. As far as I know, she’s never been to any of his North American events.

      What I can’t understand is why he’s not having a concert. Since he started his solo singing career, he’s always attached a concert to his convention appearances. I think this will be the first time he’s doing a con without a concert.

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      • “You know, he was also drunk at the private party, in Atlanta, last year. He told a fan, the next day during autographs, that he woke up with a bad hangover.”

        He could have mentioned it to someone else, but he told me that the next day in autograph line. I asked if he’d had a good time at the party and he told me yes - "but I woke up with a hangover".

        He said at the party he was on vacation which meant he could drink. He said he didn’t drink at home because he never knew when he might have to drive his niece to the hospital in the middle of the night and he wanted to be able to get her there in one piece. I thought that was really sweet (if it were true ;) And I don’t have any reason to not believe him.)

        What ever happen to the "other" woman he was supposedly seeing ? The more mature woman with a child ? I was kinda hoping it were true...

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  • James Marsters Fans

    14 août 2008 03:18, par Keystone Z.
    OMG, has anyone else been to the Yahoo ! Marsters Sanctuary site ? They are out of their minds. I think that they actually know how many times James chews his food, what kind of deodorant he uses and how often he scratches is ass ! Being a fan is is all well and good and going to conventions is cool but that group has an almost sick obsession with everything about James Marsters. They act like they know him just because they’ve gotten 4,000 autographs from him. WAKE UP CALL, you don’t "know" a person or have any kind of "relationship" with them just because you follow them around and pay to get autographs and pictures with them. Holy BizarroWorld ! In all fairness, I will say that it wasn’t everyone on that site that seemed "out of touch", there were about 3 people posting there who seemed to have a firm grasp on reality. Check out the wierdness for yourself !

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    • James Marsters Fans 15 août 2008 05:04, par I Wish.

      Some of their members are pretty relentless in their Fan Love ! I was impressed at how some travel to see him WHEREVER he may be ! Around the world ! I felt like a bad fan... ;) (maybe I am... :/ actually - more like a "poor" fan LOL !)

      He did seem to remember them when he saw them - so I guess he’s used to seeing them wherever he may be

      But don’t let it bother you - doesn’t mean we don’t admire him any less because we don’t know all the details of his life. :D

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    • James Marsters Fans 15 août 2008 19:28, par Curious

      “Check out the wierdness for yourself !”

      How can we check out the wierdness if you don’t supply a link ?

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      • James Marsters Fans 17 août 2008 18:49, par English

        I post on Sanctuary sometimes and I don’t think I’m mad yet... However I did get one PM from someone who posts there saying how she is a personal friend of Steve Himber and they have a special relationship, but that she is just a fan to James. Then I found out she’d told another close friend the same thing, but the other way round. I was amused to read later how surprised she was when Steve remembered her name. A close friend that doesn’t know your name ? As we say in Britain "the other one’s got bells on it !" (The original saying is "You are pulling my leg" but it would be more musical to pull the other one as... ) The link is :-

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Marsters_Sanctuary/

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        • James Marsters Fans 18 août 2008 14:45, par Curious

          Thanks for the link, I’ll go check it out !

          As far as fans thinking they’re personal friends of James and Steve, aren’t they all around the fandom, not just on any one specific board ? I have a lot of friends who go to James events and they tell me about other fans who tell them that they’ve actually gone out on dates with James ! Even right here, a few posts up, someone said that she’d gone home with James after some special album party. She was shot out of the water by fans who were actually there ! LOL

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          • James Marsters Fans 18 août 2008 20:00
            Yes, Curious I guess that’s right, but some boards would never let them get away with posting things like that. Of course what is in Personal Messages and emails is another thing altogether. I didn’t mean Sanctuary was any worse than other boards, if I thought that I wouldn’t post there at all. Or read what is written.

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  • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos

    20 août 2008 16:55, par Loyal High School Buddy and Long time Friend
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY FREIND ....HOPE YA HAVE A GOOD ONE...DONT DRINK ALL THE JACK SAVE SOME FOR ME

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    • First time message and have so much to say but am aware i have to keep it short. I, like I’m sure most of the women and some men ? here, would not kick James out of bed, I am a brunette and pretty but sadly am 37 and slightly overweight so i guess that’s out then....Anyway i’ve never met the guy and don’t intend to indulge my teenagery celeb crush by going to a con. From what I’ve read, if it’s true, he is obviously in dire need of more therapy. Someone said it was a textbook case and it sure sounds like it to me too. I don’t know how long he was in therapy for ? I have been doing art therapy for 5 years and I feel like I’m only just getting started ! Change takes time, lots of it. You can’t heal childhood wounds that easy and judging by his choice of young women, james must have either misogonistic views of women, with possibly some control and abuse issues (if his mother was a powerless doormat) or he must have been so scared of his mother, he can’t cope with women his own age (an abusive mother who he now associates older women with). I dont know his personal history but drinking too much is a clear indicator of lack of maternal love either way it happened. Anyone care to enlighten me as to his history if you know it ? As to how I feel about him, he’s a human being, i dont know him but I hope he sorts himself out before it’s too late. Unfortunately I don’t think we can rely on him losing his looks to make him unatractive to younger women, in the world of celebrity, this doesn’t happen, Micheal Douglas and Harrison Ford cases in point.

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      • Hello, me again ! I just couldn’t wait for a reply and find myself answering my own post !! I am anticipating that there may be some people out there who disagree with my certainty that James’ behaviour with women shows underlying mental health issues.

        The fact is that whilst it is true, there is a multitude of different people out there who we can all fall in love with, there are deep routed unconscious reasons why we pick the people we do and if you start to make a habit of picking similar types, there is most definately a reason for it. If James was picking abusive and violent women repeatedly, I don’t think we’d be needing to debate, it would be clear he had some issues to work through. The fact that he is falling in love consistently with women an adult’s lifetime younger than him most definately means something, even if you try to stick your head in the sand and say ’If if works for them etc etc’ This is just denial and represssion of the truth and it does James no favours to perpetuate this fantasy.

        In a sense, a life is ageless and time has no meaning. Just becasue we grow older doesn’t mean that those younger parts of ourselves cease to exist, just as when we are young, our older selves are also present even when we havent yet lived them. If we continue to need to revisit those parts of ourselves in our presetn life, it means they are trying to tell us someting, it means we have work to do. Anyone interested in these therories might like to read texts on transactional analysis, it’s really fascinating to learn how the mind really works. And for those of you resistant to these ideas, as to be fair most people are, me included before I began therapy, i suggest you read a book called ’Games people Play’

        James is no different to the rest of us, a wonderfully complex and feeling human being, as by the way is his girlfriend. I would like to see some understanding and feeling for her that she felt the need to have a relationship with an much older man, that’s a whole different set of issues in itself............

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      • “I dont know his personal history but drinking too much is a clear indicator of lack of maternal love either way it happened.”

        James has admitted to being sexually abused as a child ; from the age of three. It’s not known who the abuser was or for how long it continued. As for James’ mother, she’s reported as having been a very cold, unloving woman, who wouldn’t allow her children to play with toys. At one point, after having 3 kids, she wanted to become a Nun, making it necessary for her to declare her children as abominations. She never actually went through with it. James has also alluded to one of his parents being alcoholic ; not sure which one. My guess is his mother.

        “james must have either misogonistic views of women...”

        I believe James has very misogonistic views of women.

        “If James was picking abusive and violent women repeatedly, I don’t think we’d be needing to debate, it would be clear he had some issues to work through.”

        Excellent insight ! Right, if the women he dated were constantly ripping up his clothes, or, damaging his cars or property, there would be no question that he has some serious issues with the type of woman he was dating. I think the same rational holds true with his consisntantly dating women who are young enough to be his daughters !

        “...even if you try to stick your head in the sand and say ’If if works for them etc etc’ This is just denial and represssion of the truth and it does James no favours to perpetuate this fantasy.”

        Thank you ! I agree.

        “I would like to see some understanding and feeling for her that she felt the need to have a relationship with an much older man, that’s a whole different set of issues in itself............”

        I do believe that Patty has issues of her own. In James’ song, "Fall of Night" where he thinks that Patty is cheating on him, he writes, of the supposed other man, "you tell me he reminds you of your dad..." Obviously, this girl has some need to get involved with men who are much older than herself. Daddy complex ? *shrug*

        Very interesting posts, Alchimaera.

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  • Well - I DID indulge my adolescent fangirl fantasies and went to Dragon Con and had a BLAST ! (You should go Alchemeira - I’m older than you - I think you would LOVE it !)

    I was very pleased to see a very rested and relaxed James. He looked "healthy" and acted "normally". That I know of there are no "weird convention stories" about James from Dragon*Con - i.e. all the weirdness that happened at the Rift.

    He did not imbibe very much at the party - was perfectly well-behaved. And everyone had a GREAT time !!

    Patricia wasn’t brought up at all that I can remember. He may have said, "my girlfriend" in one Q&A panel - but if he did I don’t remember. And his fans never ask about her...LOL !

    He did mention something in a panel with Michael Rosenbaum about "crazy mothers". I truly hope none of the things above about child abuse are true. That just breaks my heart ! But I have heard the stories about his mother wanting to be a nun etc. That in and of itself is abusive (to deny your children love).

    But I was happy to see him happy - or at least appearing happy.

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    • I would have loved to go, still not sure it would be right for me to go to see James, still think that one is best left in fantasyland for me ! (fantasy is so rewarding, I’m fabulously charming, irresistable and have many more orgasms lol...) Sadly however, I am in the UK and my job is not greatly renumerated, so I will have to wait for the next James attended UK con if I change my mind. Good for you that you went and had such a great time, got any more anecdotes/details for us ?

      I have seen a few clips on Youtube of James from Dragon Con and I agree, he did seem a lot more relaxed than in some previous clips I’ve seen. Maybe there’s hope for him yet, though probably not for us ’oldies’ though !!!

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      • Does anyone know for sure if they are still together ?

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        • Who cares ? Apart perhaps from them ?

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          • And obviously the person who asked the question !I believe he spent some time with her when he was in Europe for a few months recently.

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            • I heard that he wrote and sang a new song about her, at the private party in Atlanta. In the song, he sings something about her being half his age, that he doesn’t know why she’s still with him, that she’s too good for him and that he’s such a bad boyfriend. *rolls eyes* After four years together, this guys is still writing whinny, angsty songs about this girl ? *shakes head* Really, at 46, he needs to grow up more than she does, at 22.

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              • I heard that the fans liked the new song but since neither of us were there we can’t really comment. After more than four years together, something must be right between them.

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                • I didn’t particularly care for the song - not one of his best. And as described it was just another "I’m old, she’s young, I’m a bad boyfriend, I love you" song. It actually sounded like another one of his songs... Can’t think of it at the moment. It was very generic for a JM song. Sounded like something he made up when he was bored and didn’t have anything else to do. ;) I blanked it out.

                  I’m not that crazy about his Patricia love songs. The only ones I really like are the songs about other girls like - Katie and Smile. My favorite songs of his are the ones that have nothing to do with relationships.

                  My favorite Patricia lovesong is "Fall of Night" - the cheatin’ song ! LOL !! And poor guy - he sang that song - then forgot he had sang it - and sang it again ! When Himber reminded him he had already sang it he just laughed and said, "F—K !" Sometimes he acts like such a geezer ! LOL ! But I love him anyway !

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                • “I heard that the fans liked the new song but since neither of us were there we can’t really comment.”

                  I wasn’t commenting on liking it or not liking it. I was just saying that it sounds like another one of his whinny, angsty songs about a relationship that seems to be going nowhere.

                  “After more than four years together, something must be right between them.”

                  I think the only thing thats "right between them" is that fact that they don’t see each other very often. If they did, I think this relationship would have been over a long time ago. :-)

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                  • Well whatever - the main thing is if they are happy with the situation then good for them. It doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks about it - does it ?

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                  • You hit the nail right on the head. That whole relationship (and his issues) are just pathetic. Most people seem to say that their relationship is fine as long as they’re happy but I’d like to see their reaction if their 18 yr. old daughter came home with a 42-45 yr. old man. And, no, I don’t think it matters that he’s famous, rich etc. etc. - it’s perverse (and apparently, a way of life for JM).

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                    • Actually she’s about 22 or 23 years old and her parents must know about the relationship by now or they must be blind and deaf ! Anyway I heard that her father is Middle Eastern or Pakistani and they are used to their daughters marrying much older men.

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                      • Patricia turned 22 in April, this year. However, it still doesn’t take away from the fact that James is 24 years older than her, and, started dating her when she just turned 18. I just can’t ignore the "ewwww" factor if him dating someone who is only 9 years older than his son. She’s young enough to be is daughter, for crying out loud. What does that tell you about him ?

                        As far as marriage...after four years together, don’t you think it should have happend already ? Waiting for her to finish school is no excuse, there are plenty of excellent fashion schools in California. So, which one of them is unwilling to take the final step, and why ?

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                      • Do you really think that James is going to marry her ?

                        Has he even introduced her to his children yet, or do you think he’s planning on marrying after the pair have left home ? When might that be now ? Six/seven years ?

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                        • I wouldn’t know if he’s ever introduced her to his son or niece. As far as waiting for the kids to leave home, his son doesn’t live with him, so, that’s not an issue. I know James always talks about his niece living with him, but, I’m not so sure she still is, what with him spending so much time away from home lately. But, if she is still living with him, I think she’s around 12 years old, so, it will be, at least, 5 more years before she’s ready to go off to college. In 5 years, James will be 51 and Patricia will be 27. Many things can change dramatically in 5 years.

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                        • James has said in the past that he doesn’t need to get married again so if Patricia is willing to carry on this relationship without marriage being on the cards, then it’s her choice. I say whatever rocks your boat and as long as it isn’t hurting anyone else, go for it ! It’s their business anyway - not for us mere "fans" to decide their future for them.

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                          • well ........ im shocked. cant believe some fans are like this !! im a big fan of james and also you cant help who u fall in love with. i dont care aboout ’slagging off patricia’ i dont even know her so cant have an opinion. but thats not why im posting

                            i cant believe ive read some of the posts above. and also people are believing it lol it just sounds stupid and quite perfectic. (my spelling is shocking so just ignore lol) i didnt want to post or scoop to this level but i just felt i had to say something. leave the poor man alone. hes a talented man who meets fans and makes you smile. he doesnt have to do the conventions but he wants to. deep down do you honestly believe he sleeps with fans ? yeh patricia was a fan but he is constantly going on about her cheating why would he do it himself. oh my god people anyone can post on here telling you bull shit. i can tell a good story too.

                            one other thing james is an actor. he can tell u anyting and you’ll believe it. ’he has said he sleeps with fans in an interview’ wouldnt you say this to keep your fans entertained ? yes i would. look its working because we’re all talking about it and people have this slight hope now they might be his nxt lover lol

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  • OMG ! I can’t believe the cement-headed thinking of some of the people that post here ! Things like (and these are not quotes just the general message of some posts) : ’Hey, guys, it doesn’t matter what James does cause he’s a good actor, and cute too.’, or ’It doesn’t matter what he does, it’s his business’, or worst of all (and this is from a posting) ’It doesn’t matter what we mere fans think...’. Are you freakin’ kidding me ?!? First of all, I don’t care if he’s an actor. It’s still sick to start dating an 18 yr. old, just graduating high school, when he’s in his 40s. Would you feel the same way if he was your mailman and was dating your daughter, with that age difference ? I really doubt it. Being an actor or good looking doesn’t make it any less disturbing. As far as it being his business, well, yes, it is but he also chose to work in a field that’s in the public eye so he better learn that what he does is going to be talked about. Finally, about us being "mere" fans, ah, HELLO ! he has no career without his mere fans ! It’s like some of the posters think that he’s better than us because he’s on tv and we are merely his fans. The truth is he is merely a middle-aged man having lots of issues and one big, honking midlife crisis. He’s a good actor and a handsome guy but he is as screwed up as people get ! Get a grip, folks !

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    • i agree. he has issues and people seem to think he is perfect. to be honest im going to ignore people on here. some think they know him and people make stories up to explain things that they dont understand. but anyway i rather hear it from james himself. i wish people would accept others for who hey are but i guess life doesnt work like that.

      i cant have an opinion on patricia i know she’s young tbh she’s plain jane but i dont know her personality. yes age gaps can be weird but its the person you fall for.

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    • Good grief are you guys still going on about this ?

      Over two years discussing an actor’s lovelife ?

      Oh well.

      Takes all sorts to make a world I guess.

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    • Get a grip ? LOL, you are the one that is making moral judgements about the lifestyle of a man you don’t know and you think other people need to “get a grip”. I think you need to go practice some yoga deep breathing to calm yourself down.

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    • First of all, I don’t care if he’s an actor. It’s still sick to start dating an 18 yr. old, just graduating high school, when he’s in his 40s. Would you feel the same way if he was your mailman and was dating your daughter, with that age difference ?...Being an actor or good looking doesn’t make it any less disturbing. As far as it being his business, well, yes, it is but he also chose to work in a field that’s in the public eye so he better learn that what he does is going to be talked about. Finally, about us being "mere" fans, ah, HELLO ! he has no career without his mere fans ! It’s like some of the posters think that he’s better than us because he’s on tv and we are merely his fans. The truth is he is merely a middle-aged man having lots of issues and one big, honking midlife crisis.

      Excellent post, arisG !!!! I agree, 100% with everything you’ve said here. It’s a comfort to know that there are still some sane fans out there who can appreicate James as an actor, but, realize just how screwed up he is.

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      • Oh we know he has issues - who hasn’t ! The annoying thing is that people are still banging on about his relationship with Patti, four years after the fact. Suck it up and deal people - he’s with her and she’s with him - end of story ! Isn’t there something else to talk about now or is this still going to be the subject ad infinitum, even if they are still together ten years from now ?

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        • Oh they’ll hang around as long as it takes just in the hope that the relationship will break up and they’ll get to say "Told you so" . The fact they’ve been bouncing up every few weeks for the last four years utterly convinced that every lyric and every word James says on the subject is proof positive that the relationship is ending/has ended (and that they have been consistantly wrong) will bother them not one whit .

          It’s all rather sad .

          And they think James is the one with issues :)

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          • “As far as it being his business, well, yes, it is but he also chose to work in a field that’s in the public eye so he better learn that what he does is going to be talked about.”

            Not only has James chosen to be in a business that puts him and his personal life in the public eye, but, James is the worst offender when it comes to brining up all sorts of personal information about himself. He admits that his songs are about him and his life experiences, he chooses to talk about his g/f and have her at many of his events. He openly talks about his childhood, having dealt with alcoholism in his family, sexual abuse, 3-way sex, sex on a plane and at the Getty Museum, and the list goes on and on. How can he bring up all this stuff about himself and not expect fans to talk about it ? There are so many celebrities out there who keep their husbands, wives, or significant others, behind the scenes so they are not touched by fan praise or criticism. This is not what James has done with relation to his current g/f. He was the one who brought her to our attention, and opened up Pandora’s Box.

            If fans carry on about James’ personal life, the only person to blame is James ! As far as I’m concerned, if James has talked about it in interviews or Q & A’s, then it’s perfectly fine for the fans to talk about it, disect it, analyze it, rip it apart, throw it up in the air, and put it back together. If James is so worried about what fans talk about, on line, then he should take better care of monitoring his behavior and what he says in an open forum.

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            • Oh my - I’m getting a strong feeling of deja vu with the posts from a couple of people here. Heard all this word for word from a "fan" on another site - under a different name of course !

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              • “Heard all this word for word from a "fan" on another site - under a different name of course !”

                So, tell me, what was your name on that other site ???? Pot, kettle, black much ?

                And why does it always have to get personal. Person A posts about James (what he says, what he does, etc.) then person B (and there are quite a few person B’s), who doesn’t like what person A has said about James, attacks person A. There always seems to be a personal attack on the one who has posted their thoughts and opinions about James, rather than trying to refute the opinions that were stated, or, simply expressing their own opinions. Directing your comments to a person who you don’t agree with, telling them to "chill out" or "practice yoga breathing" really isn’t going to change anything. That person (or persons) who drive you so nuts with their negative comments just isn’t going away, anytime soon. Hasen’t anyone got enough of a brain in their heads to figure that out already ???

                Furthermore, this is a thread/site specifically about James and his g/f, so, that’s what’s going to be discussed !

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                • That person (or persons) who drive you so nuts with their negative comments just isn’t going away, anytime soon. Hasen’t anyone got enough of a brain in their heads to figure that out already ???

                  It’s just that hope springs eternal

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                • Firstly, I have been using the current username on several other sites before posting on this one, where I have only recently joined in. Secondly I have no reason to hide behind a new name because I am not the one who has caused any negativity in the fandom nor am I the one to whom James’ Manager wrote an open letter on the official website stating that I am not welcome anymore at James’ events ! Thirdly, my posting was not personal and was half joking but in contrast look at your aggressive response. Thirdly nobody is asking you or anyone else to change their opinion but all we ARE asking is that you CHANGE THE SUBJECT ! Also, as you have stated, this is a site to discuss James’ relationship so why have you brought in all that stuff about James’ past and personal problems here ? Your last sentence sounds like an order for us to discuss James’ girlfriend only - so practice what you preach please.

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                  • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos 27 octobre 2008 06:47, par A MODESTO FRIEND OF JAMES
                    MAN U GUYS REALLY KNOW HOW TO SLAM THE GUY,,,,IF U ALL KNEW THE REAL ISSUES BEHIND JIM U GUYS WOULD FEEL SORRY FOR HIM NOT SLAM HIM FOR HAVING A YOUNGER WOMAN.....AND ISSUES WITH BEING TOUCHED..HE HAD PROBLEMS IN SCHOOL ABOUT BEING TOUCHED TOO THATS Y HE TOOK DRAMA CLASSES TO TRY AND KICK THAT FEELING HELPS ALITTLE BUT HE STILL CURLS UP AND CRYS SOMETIMES MAKES ME WANT TO CRY WITH HIM

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                    • “HE STILL CURLS UP AND CRYS SOMETIMES MAKES ME WANT TO CRY WITH HIM”

                      If he’s still curling up and crying over things that happened to him in his childhood, then he should seek out professional, psychological help.

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                    • gee, i’ve had a pretty rough youth myself. don’t see me hiding behind it and using it as an excuse for dating girls less than half my age. he is looking for petite, girl-like women, with big childlike eyes and i guess totally brazwaxed - i bet he just waits until they’re 18 so he won’t get into trouble. was he ever lucky the casting director of buffy endulged his taste for bigeyed, hairless lolita’s, now he can bang his way through the cast. heard he’s with emma caulfield now. another bleached, overly thin, forcedly young looking female (don’t want to call someone like this a woman).

                      go seek out professional help, jimbo. you’re almost 50 years old, learn to face life. promiscueity, booze and keeping busy certainly won’t help.

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                      • Erm he’s 46, working steadily ( with every cast and director he works with raving about how professional he is). He supports his family and has been with the same woman ( who is isn’t even a bit bleached or overly thin) for over five years. .

                        I think you need help with your warped perceptions rather more than JM needs help with anything.

                        BTW Emma Caulfield ?? Where do you get this nonsense from ?

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                        • No, he’s definitely not with Emma Caufield. Not that I’m certain, but, if he’s with anyone, it’s with Patricia, who he’s been with for four years (not over five). While her hair is not bleached, she’s definitely very thin, petite, and flat chested (she has a child like body, especially if she shaves her pubic hairs, as James has stated he likes his women to do). Yes, he’s 46, but, that’s close enough to 50 for me.

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                          • thank you, motherslittlehelper. btw, the emma-rumour i found here : http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/james-marsters.htm

                            the more i learn about this guy, the more disgusted i am. that guy truly is a pervert, a pedophile ... that he seems to wait until they’re 18, does not matter.

                            when i look at the photo’s, i see a dirty old man with his victim, an instable child. james frankenstein molding his personal girltoy. at age 18 when he, uhm, acquired her, she was still impressionable enough to be shaped in his image ... how arrogant is that of you, james. no wonder he keeps her, even though she reportedly keeps, uhm, bitching. after all, it costs time and money to make her as he wants her. cannot have a decent conversation with her, i guess. i even find it difficult to talk properly with people only 10 years younger than me. so he can only be living out his warped fantasies with her ... eeee-ewww.

                            what the f*** does he think he’s doing ? being molested and bullied himself is not an excuse to do it to others. i certainly don’t even think about using those things that happened to me too as excuses for bad behaviour of any kind ... but hey, i am a stable person with, well, morals.

                            yes, james wesley marsters, i call you a pervert ! if you have a problem with that, have your lawyer contact me.

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                            • Oh GOODY :-D this page is fascinating.

                              It’s been many a year since I was a James fan - I think I was like 16 and now I’m 21. Surely I’m still a toddler to most of you but five years is quite some time. He still looks very handsome to me. His behaviour which has been called "childish" by some of you is unfortunately quite common in the world of screen-actors (wether big or small screen). I actually work in the industry for Focus Features now and I can honestly say some actors are just animals. Never had the pleasure of meeting James, though. So I wouldn’t know.

                              Either way I would just like to call some of you on your previous statements for the simple generalization that’s been going on. I don’t know Patricia, and no she doesn’t look like a girl who’s had it really hard in life to me, certainly not if she were to reject a gift of love for the colour of it. But still I don’t know her.

                              Either way her age has nothing to do with how well-suited she is as a partner for James. As I stated before, I am 21 myself, and I would say that someone’s maturity around this age has little to do with the exact number and more with what they’ve been through. I have friends who confuse beer and water on a daily basis, but I also have friends who carry the weight of a family’s bills on their shoulders and trust me, the latter are more mature than some people twice their age. I’ve personally been through plenty of crap in life (we can’t all be lucky all the time) and I study at a prestigeous university and have to work fulltime besides that to be able to afford it. Not all 21 or 23 year olds are floaty, drunken little fairies. In fact my boyfriend is 35 - sue me, I’m more mature than him sometimes.

                              If James is visually more attracted to slim, younger women that’s fine. I’m visually more attracted to older men. So what ?

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                            • I don’t understand why so many people are freaked out about James’ relationship to a younger woman. They are both adults and so are Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise or Catherine Zeta-Jones and Michael Douglas. Between the latters there is even a more than 25 years age difference. So what ? Do they care ? Obviously not, so you guys, who are bashing James, shouldn’t either, should you ? It’s none of your business !

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                        • James Marsters and girlfriend Patricia - Misc. Events - Medium Quality Photos 30 décembre 2008 08:48, par Some one who Needs to Know More
                          Hey do u know something we dont...... Who is this female........is she closer to his age and if not a bleached blonde what red head ,brunette what ?...we need to know more details....spill it we need to know what u know

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                    • To A MODESTO FRIEND OF JAMES :

                      Don’t use his issues with being touched because we all know that most of being touched people become those who touched when grown up so the fact that he loves young women don’t shock me, it’s normal regarding his past...

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  • So - is he still dating her ? LOL ! Just messin’ with ya’ll ! - Seriously - we need new pictures ! :D Anyone headed for New Jersey in February ?

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  • ok like i was in love with james since the first time i saw him on ’Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ and when i heard him sing on the musical episode ’Once More With Feeling’ it made me love him more ! Him and Patrica look adorable together i mean i wish i was her lol, but its his choose in women. He has choosen a beautiful girl and she does look very kind. I mean all the people that are putting her down are just jealous and you know you are,but its not bad to be jealous cause i am to and im women enough to admit it i mean look at him !Although i have to say i loved you james with that shocking blonde hair of yours, but thats only cause i like the blonde guys.

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  • This whole thing is old news. The point is, being touched or having issues with being touched are no excuse to date high school girls. They have these people called therapists that can help you with your "issues’. My bottom line is - I think James is a good actor and nice to look at but he has HUGE issues he should learn to deal with. As a earlier post said, he is a middle-aged man having a whopper of a midlife crisis. He also must have some real inferiority or low self esteem issues to constantly need a child-like partner in his relationships. I don’t think he’s a horrible person but he probably is anything but happy and should get some serious help.

    PS. He’s now filming "Alien Western" for the SciFi channel — he also needs a new agent — NOW !! His career is going to tank if he doesn’t find a manager with HIS best interests at heart. I think his current agent sees him as a cash cow !

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  • I think the people that have problem with James dating a girl when she was just 18 isn’t just about the age difference. Some people here say ’what about Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones or even Harrison Ford and Calista Flockhart ?’ etc. The difference is this : Those women were ADULT, LIFE-EXPERIENCED WOMEN. We can assume that they have some life experience (not just out of high school) and are confident in themselves and in dealing with life in general. For a man in his 40s to start dating an 18 yr. old, is not the same thing AT ALL. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but the fact that there is a difference between an 18 yr. old high school girl and a 30+ year old independent working woman should not be ignored. Sadly, love does not conquer all of life’s problems.

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    • The difference is this : Those women were ADULT, LIFE-EXPERIENCED WOMEN. We can assume that they have some life experience (not just out of high school) and are confident in themselves and in dealing with life in general.

      Definitely, absolute, positively true ! Catherine Zeta-Jone and Calista Flockhart were in their 30’s when they got involved with their older men. They has life experience, they were independent women with their own careers. Patricia was a high school graduate, for heaven’s sake. Sure, the male imperative, or, animal instinct might have caused James to be attracted to this girl, but, what about his intellect ? He’s always pontificating, trying to make people believe how smart he is ; what a great intellect he has. Well, why didn’t he use this superior intellect to say to himself, "no, I shouldn’t get romantically involved with an 18 year old."

      Yes, James is a great actor and nice to look at, but, he’s so f**ked up, with so many issues that he doesn’t seem to be dealing with.

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      • i love james marsters !! someone on news an them ???? sorry for my english !!!

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      • I couldn’t agree more. He’s a good actor and pretty to look at but he needs some serious help. Intense therapy and (as someone previously noted) a new manager would be huge step in the right direction. I’ve seen that weasel of a manager he has(Steve) , several times, and he seems so slimy and condescending - he’s creepy. James should surround himself with people who actually care about him. Not high school girls who want to be seen with "Spike" and not sleazy agents who see him as a easy meal ticket. He should take a break and get some help with his serious personal issues before he loses his fan base and his common sense.

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        • At first : I’m german, so please excuse my bad english ;-).

          So, just my two cents : I like James Marsters as acteur. I like him in interviews. I like his way of speeking, his nervousness in interviews ;-) (in the same time it makes me a kind of crazy *lol*). He is a man, I can imagine which eventually becomes dangerous for me – BUT !!!! only because I don’t know him REALLY ! I think, the less you know about someone at all, all the more is it possible to put all in this person from your own wishes, you want about a “dream-person”. It’s only importent to see this fact, this difference ....no more and no less. I’m 41 years old, my oldest daughter is 18. I know a lot of her friends, also boys. But never ever I would or only COULD see them in another way than “friend of my daughter” or “young man/boy”, and never mind as a potential boy-friend ! Or imagine to fell in love with them....*uhhhhh* NO ! They are very cute and nice....but....they are BOYs, nothing else than that ! That would be, if I have another child ! No, honestly, I can’t imagine that at all. People (man or woman) acting like this –and I know some of them- are afraid of people in the same age. OR they think, they have more control about her much younger Partner, because they think they can hold them better on account of loss fears. (And then turn it around : I’m not ugly, i’m attractiv (so my daughter says and the men I know), and much of them in between 20 and 30 ! :-O – but I don’t want them...)

          I know, the last sounds like convicted James as himself, I don’t know him (enough)– but it’s only my opinion, what concerns myself, if I would act this way. And my experiences with couples in the same situation. I allways see only one kind of relationship in those combinations : Father and daughter / Mother and son...... I like him the same as before – but I see him in (on) another level. I saw him allways as an intelligent, smart, nice and attracitve man, and I transfered this over into his emotional degree of ripeness. But meanwhile I only see a –nice and smart- but little boy :-/.

          Btw : Me, I am sometimes laughing and being silly like a teenager (ask my dauthers ;-D), because I love the child in me an I love to let it out. I think, someone who ist not able to do this – has never become adult ;-). Adult means not to be seriously or without humor or being without silly. Being adult means only one thing : thinking independently, it means to be able to care about myself (or my children).

          Ahhh...and : REAL attractivity has nothing to do with a “perfect” Looking – but with radiation ;-)

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  • Well, and on any given day James can tell you just about anything ! Have you noticed that ? He’s a teense "flighty" about life ! It could have been the night before he said that, he and the GF had a little tift. Then the next day - he’s written another ( sap-sucking) song about their relationship. (Not crazy about the romantic songs he writes...)

    I recently started dating a man 9 years younger than me. I didn’t know I would have such trouble with age ! I was really flattered - but sometimes I’m downright embarrassed ! It’s very weird being the oldest in the relationship ! He’s pretty mature for his age - fairly level-headed and goal-oriented but still - there are little things that sneak through every once and a bit that remind me - I’m the older person in the relationship. So, I do have to wonder what it’s like for people who have 20+ years between them ?!? Good luck to James if he can make it work - from a woman’s perspective - it’s been interesting...

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  • They are engaged now.

    http://perezhilton.com/2010-05-23-buffys-james-marsters-gets-engaged

    Yep.

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  • Anyone had close encounters with Patricia at any of the recent USA Conventions ? Just wondering if she’s traveling with James to the cons and concerts... ?

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