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David Boreanaz & James Marsters - Phase9.tv Questions & Answers

By Celebrity Extra

Tuesday 15 February 2005, by Webmaster


David and James it is great to see you both. How are you doing?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Good

JAMES MARSTERS: So Good

So Good

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah.

Thanks for talking to us on Celebrity Extra. Ok we’re talking seven seasons of BUFFY five of ANGEL. Why do you reckon it has done so incredibly well?

DAVID BOREANAZ: It’s a lot of seasons.

It’s a lot of seasons.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah it is.

DAVID BOREANAZ: My god.

It’s in the sci-fi horror genre and it’s really lasted the distance what do you think was so special?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Well Joss Whedon was the genius behind this whole thing.

JAMES MARSTERS: It’s good writing.

DAVID BOREANAZ: And tapped into a market that appealed to everybody and the characters, our characters, took off and we just went with it and found ourselves on this crazy ride that was always changing from episode to episode and we just had a ball with it you know.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah. On both shows the art direction was fabulous, the cinematography was fabulous, the writing was fabulous, the direction was always good, sometimes very good.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Sometimes it was very bad [laughs].

The acting wasn’t so bad.

JAMES MARSTERS: The actors... We were pretty good.

JAMES MARSTERS: We tried, we did man. We tried. We would be in the set and I’d be like David how do you do this man? How do you do this? And what did you say?

DAVID BOREANAZ: I dunno.

JAMES MARSTERS: You went ‘horse racing’

DAVID BOREANAZ: Yeah, horse racing. Yeah straight away.

Huh?

DAVID BOREANAZ: You take the blinders off.

JAMES MARSTERS: And that’s all you said. You went horse racing and I was like ‘yeah man horse racing’. It took me about 30 seconds to go, ‘What are you talking about’.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Take the blinders off and look straight ahead.

So whenever you felt like collapsing in a heap you thought horse racing.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Horse racing. Straight ahead. Marty Jones man, Philly style. No, but its been great. The characters obviously appeal to a specific type of audience as well as a mass audience. I mean BUFFY and ANGEL were two different types of shows. What’s great about ANGEL, especially for DVD’s, is its wide screen format. You can really see the expansion and you can see the way they shot it. It’s great for that kind of format.

JAMES MARSTERS: It looks so much better than BUFFY ever did. BUFFY was filmed in 16mm for the first three years and you know ANGEL were they shooting digitally?

DAVID BOREANAZ: No. They thought about it one time and they decided not to do it.

JAMES MARSTERS: But I remember when I turned on ANGEL and it was in that wide screen format I was like ‘Aw man they get all the good toys over there man.

Proper entertainment. Now if vampires can’t see their own reflection how come you guys always looked so good?

JAMES MARSTERS: [Laughs]

Explain that to me please.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Good question. I haven’t thought of that before.

JAMES MARSTERS: Coz your dead and you don’t change.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Yeah.

JAMES MARSTERS: Your frozen.

But surely you go a little grey around the gills when your dead guys.

JAMES MARSTERS: No that’s the beauty of it. You’re immortal. You don’t have a sleepy day. But that’s what kind of sucks about playing a vampire. As a vampire you’re not supposed to look sleepy ever, but meanwhile, meanwhile they are working you 12,14 20 hours a day.

DAVID BOREANAZ: And you’re falling asleep.

You forgot to mention a really good makeup artist in your list of things that make this programme work.

JAMES MARSTERS: We don’t use makeup.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Its true the special effects are amazing.

JAMES MARSTERS: We’ve not never worn makeup that’s for wimps man.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Yeah but Dane who did the special effects did a great job for five seasons. He makes some amazing creations on the show.

Absolutely.

DAVID BOREANAZ: It was pretty cool.

JAMES MARSTERS: When he used to makeup you he’d be sleeping.

DAVID BOREANAZ: He was that good he could do makeup in his sleep.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah well Dane could do it in his sleep after seven years.

Well regardless of whether there was makeup, lack of sleep, too much sleep, whatever you guys looked very good. So well in fact they you have got a legion of fans and you’ve both been on the sexiest man ever list ever, ever. Does that kind of stuff go to your head?

DAVID BOREANAZ: I don’t really think, I mean I’ve always enjoyed doing a work out.

Oh come on! Be honest.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Its part of what comes of being part of this business. You know it’s a humbling thing. It comes with the territory. I thank my parents for having me.

Nice attitude.

DAVID BOREANAZ: And this is what they produced, but no I’m not obsessing about it everyday.

Is it a little bit surreal to see yourself on, you know... you’ve been on a vampire sexiest male vampire list, you’ve been in the people top 50 most beautiful men. You open a magazine and you see that and you kind of go...

JAMES MARSTERS: No. What you do is you go, good publicist! You say thank you Jenny we did it! Coz they know there is a lot of work behind everyone one of those hits. There’s a whole campaign behind every single one of those.

So it’s not just the fans voting for you.

DAVID BOREANAZ: And then you put your glass down and it makes a ring after a while so there’s a ring of water on the bottom of the paper or whatever, their good coasters.

It’s all transient... is that what you are trying to tell me?

JAMES MARSTER: Yeah it is. Television is a weird thing and it gets you famous like that [clicks fingers] and you really can’t take it too seriously. Like in a ‘HARD DAYS NIGHT’ with the Beatles, you can see the look on their faces when they are just starting to experience it and they are not taking it seriously but they are having fun with it.

Sure.

JAMES MARSTERS: You kind of try and maintain that kind of attitude.

Doesn’t it always eventually get to your head as an actor? I’m not saying you particularly, but I so can relate to what you are saying about people starting out they’ve got a different attitude to 10 years down the line where they are beginning to inevitably believe the hype in some way, shape or form. Do you sense the danger of ever heading into that sort of territory?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Well there’s always the temptation of crossing the line or borders that are uncharted.

JAMES MARSTERS: Celebrity is toxic to the soul.

That’s deep.

JAMES MARSTERS: It just simply is, and the longer someone is famous the worst it gets.

Well how do you find yourself in this? Are you prepared to go the distance or are you kind of going ‘that’s enough for me?’

JAMES MARSTERS: Well you have to build a life that is separated from the whole Hollywood thing and surround yourself with people who are willing to tell you when you are being a jerk.

Do you both have that in your lives hopefully?

DAVID BOREANAZ: I have a beautiful family; I have a wife and a two year-old.

Does your two year-old go, “Dad you’re being a jerk!”

DAVID BOREANAZ: No. The simplicity of being blessed with a child and seeing that is enough to remind you everyday about what life is really about. You know you have your work and your family and those two are definitely separated but as you work you maintain your sanity through your work but your family keeps you afloat.

Sure.

DAVID BOREANAZ: And that’s what is really important. It keeps you alive.

JAMES MARSTERS: Certainly whether you got the sexiest man thing. It’s nice and didn’t mean to denigrate the fact that the fans vote and that makes you feel good. Coz we work hard for them. I mean Joss just has to write it and man he goes on and then he goes to bed and we are down in the trenches fifteen hours a day making it happen. Basically we are the grunts and we are well paid and they make us look really good, but day to day for real we are working in a non heated, no air conditioned space with no places to sit really except boxes on the floor and it’s dirty and it’s a factory.

You poor pet.

JAMES MARSTERS: Come on down sometime honey I swear to god!

Sorry I didn’t mean to be...

JAMES MARSTERS: There is no glamour. Glamour is a highly constructed artificial thing that takes a lot of work to create.

Listen I know I’m a television presenter it’s completely non-glamorous.

JAMES MARSTERS: It’s not real

Talk to me about the fact that I’ve read up on a couple of things about you guys that a lot of the lines in ANGEL were adlibbed. They started with you in BUFFY and that it kind of continued. Is that true or is it very much scripted?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Its pretty much, very much scripted. I don’t know where that came from. Joss is very particular, always was very particular on specific lines which really have motivated specific story points.

JAMES MARSTERS: Wrong conjunction. Take two.

DAVID BOREANAZ: You know you look back and you go this is why it was happening and this is why you had to say that for that specific reason and I think because he was so specific it kind of pin pointed the show for what it was, and is.

Yeah.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I think ANGEL will have a strong life in the future and they were saying that whilst they were shooting because it is different. It was more complex and I mean BUFFY was an extremely different show it was geared towards a different level.

JAMES MARSTERS: But the point of it was BUFFY was not about vampires, BUFFY was about the human characters and the vampires on BUFFY were just kind of a sideshow.

Whereas ANGEL was all about...

DAVID BOREANAZ: Freaks.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah so it had a scope.

Absolutely.

JAMES MARSTERS: And it had a need for special effects and stunts that BUFFY never had.

Sure.

JAMES MARSTERS: So to get that one in the can... Dude, I don’t know how you did that for five years. Smoked me. Smoked me, one year on that show smoked my ass.

Both Angelus...

DAVID BOREANAZ: I guess.

Angelus and Spike were both in love with Buffy. Who should ultimately have gotten the girl?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Ah you know I think that...

It has to be Angel doesn’t it?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Well you know Angel’s forte of going on and taking off and leaving her crying by the ambulance.

You did! Heartless.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I just think that over those years, though his radar was subject to picking up something a bit different maybe. I don’t know, but ultimately it’s really still up in the cards I think.

JAMES MARSTERS: I don’t know man. There was an episode in the end of the season on BUFFY. They kind of sowed that one up. You came back over and filmed a scene. You remember that shit?

DAVID BOREANAZ: All I did was give her a ring or something.

JAMES MARSTERS: I know but it was pretty clear that was true love whereas I was just really good sex.

You were just a blow in.

JAMES MARSTERS: She used me like a tramp.

She did, didn’t she. Heartless... Beep! Talk to me about the conventions - the sci-fi vampire. You must have met some strange people. Now I know they are your fans so you don’t want to dis them but come on.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I don’t really think of it as a multitude level of insanity like that. You can have a specific group of people that are fascinated with a certain subject matter. I think with us it has always been a group of fans that have always enjoyed the show and the genre rather than the specific quote unquote vampire kind of a thing. I mean you do have the occasional person that dresses up and comes and sees you.

JAMES MARSTERS: That’s beautiful.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Which is great

JAMES MARSTERS: I love that. Let the freak flag fly.

DAVID BOREANAZ: If we can give them their respect. If they can do that it’s great but it really enables us to go and see the fans and give back to them for what they have given us for five seasons.

JAMES MARSTERS: And Angel and Buffy fans, there fans of good writing and ultimately that’s what really draws people to the show. So my interaction with fans of the show has always been surprising. I have a lot of interesting conversations and a lot of people are very cool and I guess I play a character that they expect is going to hit them if they offend me, so they are always like I don’t want to disturb you or anything.

Any ones that actually believe they are vampires or that you guys are vampires that they exist.

JAMES MARSTERS: Very, very few.

But they do... Come on tell me about one.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I never really got that I never got the whole you’re a vampire thing.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah man those guys watch ‘underworld’. It’s a whole different thing.

With you guys having played those sort of roles for so long and having researched the whole ‘where is the vampires motivation’, do you ever find yourself asking actually you know, they could exist.

DAVID BOREANAZ: No

JAMES MARSTERS: No

Do you believe in the supernatural at all?

DAVID BOREANAZ: No

JAMES MARSTERS: No. We’re nothing if not honest you know.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I believe in the supernatural yeah of course. Spirits and what not and energy but I don’t believe that there are creatures of the night walking around. I’m sure there are late in the evening hours somewhere Soho or down in New York.

JAMES MARSTERS: Yeah and at that point there are people who do believe it, people who get their canines sharpened and extended and if they really believe they are vampires they really might bite someone so what’s the difference.

Fair enough. But for the real bona fide vampires you’re not going there you don’t believe that they could actually exist?

JAMES MARSTERS: No man I think we are profoundly ignorant of our situation here in the universe and I think we are in the middle of something far more complex and beautiful than we realise but we really don’t know exactly what that is.

DAVID BOREANAZ: That was deep.

JAMES MARSTERS: Thanks man.

That was so deep I don’t know what to say to it.

JAMES MARSTERS: Coffee’s working.

Good man. Obviously ANGEL was left on the mother of all cliff hangers which means for all the fans they’re begging to hear there will be some kind of Angel reappearance whether its in a movie or a couple more series. What’s going on? Can you give us any tip bit of hope?

DAVID BOREANAZ: There won’t be a series. If anything it would have to be a big screen feature as far as getting me back involved into playing this character again for raising the bar and the level to where it has to be. I think going back and doing an extended series on it or something to further it maybe a little bit longer would most probably jeopardise it or maybe even taint it in a way that may hurt it. And I won’t want to do that.

Really.

DAVID BOREANAZ: I mean unfortunately for the fans at the same time the door was so left wide open the way they ended this season and this show I think was a great way.

And you’re happy with that. You’re happy they didn’t kind of conclude to any other kind of...

DAVID BOREANAZ: Very happy.

OK. Well if we are not going to see you on Angel again, final question is what are you guys up to? Where can we see you James first of all?

JAMES MARSTERS: I’ve been frustrating my team and turning down a lot of roles frankly.

That’s good. It’s good to be selective.

JAMES MARSTERS: Frankly yeah. A lot of people want me to play demons or bad guys and drug addicts and that stuff

DAVID BOREANAZ: Drug addicts [laughs].

JAMES MARSTERS: But I played a human being recently and that was very refreshing. That was good. I liked doing that a lot. I’m working on music actually which is going really well.

Because you’ve got a band?

JAMES MARSTERS: No I’ve split up my band and that’s a hard thing but I’m continuing doing my material with a new producer and I’m really happy about how it is coming out and I think it is going to be really good.

And David?

DAVID BOREANAZ: I just did, I’ve done 3 movies so far. I’ve done a romantic comedy with Alana and Paul Sorvino. It’s called MR FIX IT. Then I did a film called THE HARD EASY with Bruce Dern and Vera Farmiga.

JAMES MARSTERS: You worked with Bruce Dern?

DAVID BOREANAZ: Yeah

JAMES MARSTERS: Fucking A!

Beep!

JAMES MARSTERS: Sorry.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Peter Weller was in it. I play a neurotic stockbroker who is out 4 million dollars and is selling bonds to diamond heists. And I’m working on a film called THESE GIRLS with Caroline Dhavernas. I don’t know if you know her. She’s a very talented actress. I play a stoner kind of guy. It a black comedy.

So nice and varied roles after...

DAVID BOREANAZ: Yeah I’ve done some very interesting roles and I think that it’s been really interesting to see the take on that and we’ve just sold the show to ABC so I’m excited.

Busy man. Busy man. Glad to here it. It’s been great chatting to you and good luck with the DVD. I don’t need to tell you that it’s going to do brilliantly.

DAVID BOREANAZ: It’s going to be fun. Yeah these DVDs are great for fans

Absolutely.

DAVID BOREANAZ: Because they can go and can pause it.

JAMES MARSTERS: I know they can pause on our naked scenes.

Freeze frame on you guys!

DAVID BOREANAZ: There’s specials and there’s extras and there’s a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that we did while we were shooting it and I think it’s a gift to you guys, a gift to the fans.

Well thank you very much. We accept it with open arms. Lovely chatting to you. Thank you.


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  • DAVID BOREANAZ: All I did was give her a ring or something. a ring or something ! HELLO! BUFFY SEASON two the claggagh ring! Argh david doesn’t realize his own importance…………….

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  • Wow..They seem kind of..Idk..o_O They don’t sound too thrilled about the whole experience..Weird..*Shrugs*

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  • Well it’s good to see this. Spike is an awesome character but he doesn’t deserve to be with Buffy (Faith maybe, Dru yes), that’s straight out of the horses mouth. though it’ll be funny to see some people twist JM’s words haha. I hate DB’s take on Angel now, a big-screen feature only? GAH. Come on David...

    And to the first poster: He meant the necklace, from 7x22 ’Chosen,’ not the ring from season 2. He accidentally said ring though lol.

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  • I think James was referring to David coming back at the end of season seven, so David probably meant the amulet. Ring, amulet, McGuffin, whatever...

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  • Thanks for bringing us this interview - it is always such a pleasure to hear from these two wonderful men. We can never have too much informmation on how Joss Whedon and his great creative staff made all this possible.

    Especially, now that we have such a long wait for Serenity, the interviews and articles are great to read.

    See online : http://www.whedonworld.com

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  • He was referring to his last appearance on Buffy in the S7 finale when he brought the amulet (not ring) that Spike eventually wore. But it’s interesting that he downplays that last appearance so much!

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  • He’s talking about the amulet in Chosen. He doesn’t seem to interested in the Buffy/Angel relationship does he. Guess he’s moved on like Angel did. Very healthy.

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  • LOL Angel gave Buffy an amulet! Not a ring... that was seasons ago and it wasn’t magic that burned poor Spike to a crisp! I don’t want a movie David... I want our promissed S6!!!!! *glare* but if we have to settle for a movie.. then its better than nothing. *looks around* now where is that movie you speak of???

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  • I thought the reference he was making was in regards to showing up at the end of the Series/Season 7 since that what James was talking about (You came back and filmed a scene remember?") in regards to tying up the ends of who Buffy would eventually end up with and that SPike was just sex while she truly loved Angel. So I was even more amused that he didn’t remember what he gave her - since it was the amulet SPike eventually wore to save the world (and some background info on the First from W&H - which I personally would have loved ot have seen/heard them read it - maybe that’s where the info about the First coming corpeal when its army outnumbered humans came from (i.e. that’s how Buffy was originally going to kill it - when it became corporeal, but as is she didn’t beat the First - just stopped its plans for then...anyway, he didn’t remember what he gave her! ANd it’s even how SPike came back in Season 5...so not really a tid bit only a Fan would know...though I realize as actors there is no way they keep up with all the details we fans do. And too bad about D.B. basically shunning anything other than a big creen movie. I personally would much rather have a series of mini-series or Movies of the Week - far more you can do with it than a 90 minute theatrical release which would skip so much to be "accessible to the general public" who never mae these things the hits they are anyway...it’s the very attnetion to detail and deep, story arcs that get people into it,not simplistic storylines that anyone can pick up on in one movie...anyoen think he’s just going for the money or prestige of headlining a feature film rather than truly caring about the characters and a far more detailed storyline?

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  • It is not uncommon for Actors being so caught up in drawing from within themselves to create their performance,that their experience of it differs from what the viewing audience takes away. Hence, both David and James not be aware that Buffy and Spike are the real item. OTOH, maybe that is their way of saying "Silly Bint" ,you can have her.

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  • That was a real DEEP MAN..Sounds like the person who was doing the interviewing wanted some nitty gritty about the fans and was a bit rude some times .....But David and James had fun being deep and Fucking A1....Sad that the disission is final and no more Angel unless its a big screen feature...oh well .....Im off to the Horse racing....Byeee...lololololol

    See online : >David Boreanaz & James Marsters-Phase9.tv Questions & Answers

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  • DB: There won’t be a series. If anything it would have to be a big screen feature as far as getting me back involved into playing this character again for raising the bar and the level to where it has to be. I think going back and doing an extended series on it or something to further it maybe a little bit longer would most probably jeopardise it or maybe even taint it in a way that may hurt it. And I won’t want to do that. I mean unfortunately for the fans at the same time the door was so left wide open the way they ended this season and this show I think was a great way. /DB And you’re happy with that. You’re happy they didn’t kind of conclude to any other kind of... DB: Very happy. /DB

    OMG! The one person who agrees with me, is David Boreanaz! And I’m completely obsessed with him! That’s so wicked!! I don’t believe there should be any continuation though. I really believe it ended perfectly. As I have said on other posts other places. But, if they absolutely must continue it, The big screen. That’s it. Donot take a step back. The show is too good for that. I think a continuation of anysort will ruin the show.

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  • Heh! They’re funny. ^_^

    I really wish David didn’t come off as ’too good’ for what made him, but he does. James too.

    Oh well, they’re moving on and that’s fine. I wish they would be a little more open to doing something in the Whedonverse again though.

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  • I’m giddy to think about what fun nonsense the Spike/Buffy people will say now. Hahahha. Awesome article.

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  • > David Boreanaz & James Marsters - Phase9.tv Questions & Answers

    16 February 2005 16:11, by darkraven1753

    I loved this interview!

    James to David: "I know but it was pretty clear that was true love whereas I was just really good sex."

    Yay Bangels! We rock! These guys are both amazing!

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  • Get OVER it. yeah, he was talking about the amulet he was JOKING by downplaying it...

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  • What exactly are you reading into this:

    DAVID BOREANAZ: Well you know Angel’s forte of going on and taking off and leaving her crying by the ambulance.

    DAVID BOREANAZ: I just think that over those years, though his radar was subject to picking up something a bit different maybe. I don’t know, but ultimately it’s really still up in the cards I think.

    JAMES MARSTERS: I know but it was pretty clear that was true love whereas I was just really good sex. You were just a blow in.

    JAMES MARSTERS: She used me like a tramp.

    How is this in favour of either Angel or Spike being with Buffy? Seems like the Bangels are the ones that are twisting meanings. If anything, this dialogue makes Buffy a bitch, Spike someone she used and Angel someone that continuously abandoned Buffy. Hint guys: The actors could care less who Buffy ends up with...and more often then not they don’t have a clue outside of the dialogue they memorized wtf was going on.

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  • What exactly are you reading into this: DAVID BOREANAZ: Well you know Angel’s forte of going on and taking off and leaving her crying by the ambulance. DAVID BOREANAZ: I just think that over those years, though his radar was subject to picking up something a bit different maybe. I don’t know, but ultimately it’s really still up in the cards I think. JAMES MARSTERS: I know but it was pretty clear that was true love whereas I was just really good sex. You were just a blow in. JAMES MARSTERS: She used me like a tramp. How is this in favour of either Angel or Spike being with Buffy? Seems like the Bangels are the ones that are twisting meanings. If anything, this dialogue makes Buffy a bitch, Spike someone she used and Angel someone that continuously abandoned Buffy. Hint guys: The actors could care less who Buffy ends up with...and more often then not they don’t have a clue outside of the dialogue they memorized wtf was going on.

    I’m not reading anything into this other than what it says: JAMES: I know but it was pretty clear that was true love whereas I was just really good sex. (BTW, James didn’t say the "You were just a blow in." part—that was the interviewer.)

    I realize the actors don’t really know or care, and that they have to be very careful about what they say. Geez, just think what would happen if David ever said anything! People would be all over it making all kinds of nasty comments. As for Buffy and her men, I say GO BUFFY! *LOL* Angel never really abandoned her either. It was more like he couldn’t be with her because he loved her so much he couldn’t trust himself. Anyway, I enjoyed James’ little comment. I took it as a small Bangel victory. :D

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  • Hmm, what are the Spuffy people going to say now? First Joss says B/A "transcends everything" and now James Marsters admits the truth. lol.

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  • I think it’s pretty clear that the Bangels win. :D

    B/A love is forever!

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  • Once again, wasting everyone’s time...

    17 February 2005 01:41, by Sarah

    All you people need to get a damn life. Also, and I quote The Almighty here,

    "Spike and Angel; they were hanging out for years and years and years. They were all kinds of deviant. Are people thinking they never... ? Come on, people! They’re opened-minded guys!"

    - Joss Whedon, commentary to A Hole in the World

    That’s right, bitches. All your bases belong to us!!!

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  • Do you really want someone to quote the "Chosen" commentary? If you’re going to take JM’s words as gospel, you might as well do the same for DB’s...

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  • I wonder when exactly this interview was held?

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  • I think that in some ways the actors comments can be read as irony and also they are only an opinion. You don’t defy the closest thing you have to a father just for someone who was a good lay especially after they’ve done something really bad to you afterwards. I HATE the arrogance of Bangles and the way JW feels like he’s got to pander to you guys. I think she loves both of them in different ways.

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  • I think that in some ways the actors comments can be read as irony and also they are only an opinion. You don’t defy the closest thing you have to a father just for someone who was a good lay especially after they’ve done something really bad to you afterwards. I HATE the arrogance of Bangles and the way JW feels like he’s got to pander to you guys. I think she loves both of them in different ways.

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  • Spuffy Person here and James’s comments don’t bother me in the least. And David Boreanaz doesn’t seem to sure about Buffy being Angel’s true love.. in fact in an interview after ATS ended when asked who was Angel’s true love: He said " The question has yet to be answered." David has also said many Anti Bangel things over the years.. including in season 3 of ATS claiming that Buffy was now just a girl Angel knew and that there was no more story between the two. So as seen Actor’s my have their opinions but thats all they are: OPINIONS. Not fact.

    In fact What James says here goes directly against what Joss Whedon himself has said... James Claims Buffy never loved Spike. Joss has stated that Buffy loved Spike when she told him she loved him. James said Buffy thought of Spike as a friend, and yet Joss has come out and stated that in season 7 Buffy and Spike had a "grown up and romantic and confusing relaitonship that wasn’t about power but that was genuinely beautiful." Thats more then friendship.. hell Joss said that the flaming handclasp was their ROMANTIC symbol and they had a love theme that year..thats more then friendship. James although an amazing actor and sounds like a great guy has been wrong several times.. in fact he at a con stated that Spike never loved Fred.. Joss again contradicts that in the season 5 DVDS by saying that Angel and Spike had one thing in common: They loved Fred. James’s word is not gospel truth. He’s an actor and while his opinion is interesting.. it’s not FACT.

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  • Well if we’re going to take James’s words as absolute truth can we do the same with DB.

    Season 3 of ATS DB did an interview: DB: "Buffy’s pretty much out of the picture. they’ve played their storyline and thats just past. Buffy’s just past. Theres no more story here for those two. Buffy isn’t Angel’s 1st priority anymore. In season 1 and 2 of the show she was always in the back of his mind, well now it’s all about other things and Buffy well she’s just a person Angel used to know.. And like every good story it came to an end.

    Another interview DB gave: DB: If you actually saw these two (Buffy and Angel) together it would be so different.. it probably wouldn’t even work.

    Jeffery Bell gave an interview: "My Thoughts are that Angel is an adult. I think he and Buffy came to a place and you got a sense of this near the end of Buffy where they were like "We love eachother but the way things are now it ain’t going to work out. We’re adults so lets move ahead with our lives."

    It seems even Jeffery Bell had a drastically different view of the events in Chosen then James did. Where James saw a confirmation of ’true love’ the writer and co executive producer of ATS believes it was a confirmation that while they love eachother it’s not going to work out for them (At least for now) and so they are moving on.

    So yes While James is a great actor and an amazing person (From what I hear) it doesn’t mean that his comments are what Joss and the others writers feel. They are just his opinions and thats all.

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  • > David Boreanaz & James Marsters - Phase9.tv Questions & Answers

    17 February 2005 19:47, by darkraven1753
    DB has to be very careful about anything he says about Angel and Buffy. Any comment he makes is going to be picked apart and twisted around. Rumors would start about him and SMG, people would get angry, it would be a mess. He is intentionally vague on the subject. JM has a bit more freedom to say what he wants. Anyway, as someone pointed out earlier, the actors don’t really know how the story plays out any more than we do. At this point we can all pretty much end it however we want. I choose to believe that Buffy is Angel’s destiny and one true love and that he is hers. For me heros don’t grow and change and just move on. Their hearts remain true no matter what. To me Angel is not Angel without his Buffy. Having said all that, I don’t hate Spuffy people, Cangel people, or anyone who’s a fan. I think that’s silly and childish.

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  • James has his own opinion. He’s entitled to it.. but in no way does that mean he speaks for Joss and the rest of the writers. In fact The writers have said many things that are the exact opposite of what James has stated.

    DB has said numerous negative things about Bangel in the past: Including saying that Buffy was just a girl Angel used to know and that even if they did get together it would be so different.. it probably wouldn’t even work out. So if we are to take the actor’s words as absolute truth then we must also do the same for David. And in an interview he gave after ATS ended he said that the question about who Angel’s true love was had yet to be answered. So right there we see that even James and David disagree.

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  • Hahaha you spuffy wierdos wanna play the quotes game? Okay...

    Joss Whedon:

    "There was nobody getting over Buffy and Angel . Just nobody."

    "I don´t think it will spell the end of David´s association with Buffy or of Sarah’s with Angel. Because I don´t think those two will ever be completely broken apart."

    "It’s an eternal love, don’t get me wrong; I realize that."

    "There was two reasons why the Buffy and Riley relationship didn’t fly. There was nobody getting over Buffy and Angel. Just nobody. Two, because I’d seen the tortured Romeo and Juliet, `This is the wrong guy, he’s going to make me miserable’ romance, I wanted to see Buffy have a nice relationship with a nice guy. America doesn’t want to see that. America doesn’t give a rat’s *** about a nice relationship with a nice guy."

    "...Their romance is timeless and whatnot, and I’ll wring it for every bit of pain and exultation that I can..."

    ’’Love, after all, springs eternal, and they’re just so darn CUTE!"

    "Those two were so much in love..."

    "Buffy loves Angel. And he loves her. And I love HoHo’s"

    "Every time they come together it has enormous power, enormous meaning.."

    "IWRY makes me cry."

    "Something will come up when Buffy and Angel will come together again."

    "They have to live their separate lives, at least for now. But they will always love each other"

    "Angel was there for her from the beginning"

    "Their relationship transcends everything."

    "You want to pay homage to the fact that he’s a big part of her heart, no matter what, without saying anything definite on what will happen for them in the future."

    "Her internal search isn’t for a boyfriend, it’s for herself. And then if true love fits into that, that would be the best thing ever."

    David Boreanaz:

    "Maybe someday they will finally get to be together. Who knows?"

    "Their story’s not over. Their parting in the season finale was actually a blessing. It will help them rediscover something about themselves to make their relationship stronger."

    "It’s not like Angel is ever going to get over Buffy, but he won’t be whining about her every episode. She’ll just be the spectre of his one true love."

    "But I think in the long run, I think it will be stronger for her and myself. The fact that these two characters will leave and somehow their love will never end."

    "Of course, he always will stay true. She’s his one true love, definitely. There is a story that’s going to be told between the two of them some day. For now, time and space is what’s needed!"

    "The underlying love [will] always be there. That’s very strong and you can’t take it away."

    "Well, the love of his life is definitely Buffy. [...] the underlying love will always be there for both of them. I think if you got them back together again, sparks would fly."

    "There is a story that’s going to be told between the two of them someday."

    "I think we’ve established that her one true love is Angel, obviously."

    "That would be the ultimate, to become human and ride off into the sunset with Buffy, there you go, there would be a little heart there [David made a heart in the air]"

    "They’re both champions. They connect whether in the middle of a battle, an argument or at the height of passion."

    "I don’t see anything else beyond that relationship. We know they’ll end up together."

    "Hopefully, Spike will be my ally, but if not, I’ll just have to kick the **** out of him. I’ll break out Angel’s big badass boots."

    "I really believe that Angel’s heart is with Buffy. I’ve always found the Angel*-Cordelia relationship a bit strange, but it worked. There was chemistry there, but not the way it was between Angel and Bufly. I think the Angel-Cordy relationship was just a mirror to what the Angel-Buffy relationship was to him."

    Sarah Michelle Gellar:

    "She´ll always miss Angel. Spike is a wonderful foil for Buffy but I think it`s a thing that a lot of young girls do after they have their first love, their Romeo and Juliet style love, the love that never can be; you find someone that`s safe, someone that can protect you. But it doesn`t have that same excitement, and I think deep down Buffy will always love Angel and she will never love anyone the way in which she loves him.’’

    "It was interesting when they first said that David was going to get his own show. I was so excited for him, watching how he’s grown since he started on the show as his first real job. Maybe I was getting too comfortable with David. What an exciting adventure now, for both my character and myself, and for David and his character, but I have to tell you as an actor I miss him immensely. Every time they try and bring someone new in for Buffy, all I can think is, ’but it’s not Angel!’. I’m not really sure what we’re going to do now. We just did an interesting episode where Buffy spent the summer moping over her boyfriend — like everybody who loses their first love — and then this cute sophomore in college ask her out and she’s so excited and he says all the right things and does all the right things and she sleeps with him on the first date and then he dumps her. I ran into Joss’ office, screaming, ’Buffy would never do this! All this history with Angel — this is WRONG!’ And Joss said to me, ’Sarah, try going to college. This is what people do and this is how they learn and these are the mistakes they make’, and that is exactly what Buffy is going through. Right now she’s trying to convince herself, like most young girls do, that she needs to get away from the bad guy and find a nice, solid guy, but she’s terrified that without that fire and intensity and passion that she would step all over a nice guy because she’ll be bored. I think Angel is her true love and I don’t know if she can ever find love like that again. I just did my first cross-over episode with Angel and it was an amazing experience and one of the best episodes we’ve ever done..."

    "In my opinion, Buffy and Angel should be together forever, but I understand for storytelling purposes, it’s not to be. Angel is Buffy’s true love. They have something you can never repeat. I mean, I understand it when people say nothing is ever the same after your first true love. They were soul mates.’’

    "When he bites her and she’s writhing on the floor, in her full orgasm she breaks the table. They missed it. The most erotic thing I’ve ever seen on TV, and the censors missed it completely."

    " I can’t say enough amazing things about David Boreanaz. We had the most amazing working relationship I’ve ever had, and I’ve been blessed with the guys that I’ve worked opposite, Ryan Phillippe, Jerry O’Connell, Jamie Kennedy and I’ve adored them all. But David and I had a very, very special relationship. In three years of working together, we never had so much as a disagreement, and that’s just unbelievable, considering the hours we spent together. And we worked so well together. We could gauge each other’s moods. We could help each other. So, for me, it’s very daunting. Part of the reason Buffy worked was Angel, and you get these, What if I can’t do it on my own? What if I *need* David? "

    "Last year, with Angel and the heartbreak, I would go home and cry. My body couldn’t work properly. I donât take the demons home with me, but I do take Buffy’s pain. The vampires I’m immune to, but not the emotion. When we filmed the episode where Angel breaks up with her, I cried for 25 minutes. I thought I was having a breakdown. They had to shut down the set. When they say rip your heart out, that’s really what unfulfilled love does."

    "...I think deep down Buffy will always love Angel and she will never love anyone the way in which she loves him."

    "I don’t think that Buffy will ever accept anyone in the same respect as Angel. I don’t know if the audience ever will. And I don’t know if I would."

    "I think Buffy was greatly in love with Angel. It will always be Angel! Nothing in her life will ever compare to that..."

    "I believe that Angel is her true love, and I believe she will never love anyone the way that she loves Angel. Will she fall in love again? Ya know, in her mind she thought she had fallen in love with Riley, even though it wasn’t what it was supposed to be, but nothing will ever be Angel. And um, I’m hoping, at some point, they find their way back to each other. We’ll have the Buffy Angel hour, we’ll have two-hour episodes every week and I’ll never go home at night, we’ll go on forever."

    "... part of the reason Buffy worked was because of Angel..."

    "She’ll always miss Angel."

    "Angel is her true love and I don’t think she will ever find love like that again."

    "They found a wonderful supercouple in Buffy and Angel."

    "David and I have a special relationship, and we are wonderful friends, both on and off screen. When we act as Angel and Buffy, we become the very essence our roles, helping us to convey the passion of our characters. Of all of the guys I’ve worked with, I have to say that David is definitely the best person I’ve ever had to work with romantically, and is definitely a better kisser than many of the other leading males I’ve had to work with.”

    "Buffy and Angel’s relationship is love in it’s truest and most pure form."

    "There has always been a connection between Buffy and Angel"

    "She loved Angel deeply, passionately, the kind of love I think is once-in-a-lifetime. . . She definitely loves Spike but she’s not IN love with Spike."

    James Marsters:

    "I thought that what the final episode did very well was admit that Buffy really is in love with Angel. That the sexual relationship she had with Spike was unhealthy. That it was unwise."

    "Believe me, I’m not gonna out-sexy David Boreanaz....There’s potential there for conflict with Angel, because Spike knows that Buffy really loves Angel and not him"

    Should I post more?

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  • From what I’ve gathered. Yes, Angel and Buffy loved eachother once. First loves hold a special place in your heart. But, it’s possible to love again. Therefore, Angel loved Cordelia. And since Joss has said so-as I thought. Buffy loved Spike too. (even though I’m not a shipper, I’m not against them, for I’m a Cangel shipper). And hearing that Spike loved Fred, makes me SO happy! Cause, I’m a major Spred shipper. And you said that Angel loved Fred. Did you mean LOVE love? If so, that’s awesome too, cuz I also love Frangel, although no where near as much as Cangel. In one season 4 episode, to hide from Jasmine’s people. Fred kisses Angel, and boy did he seem to enjoy it.

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  • Thanks to the poster who left all of the lovely B/A quotes! :)

    Buffy and Angel are eternal.

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  • Please, enough with the outdated quotes. Ofcourse there’s going to be B/A quotes, they were together from Season 1-3. No one’s denying that. The rest of us are annoyed that B/Aers are antagonizing the rest of us with your little "spuffy weirdos" and "what do the spuffies have to say to that" and "we win!" comments. It’s making you ALL come off as childish.

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  • Not to go all school yard on you, but the Spuffys started it with the outdated quotes! :P

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  • > David Boreanaz & James Marsters - Phase9.tv Questions & Answers

    18 February 2005 19:55, by darkraven1753
    Actually, I’m really enjoying reading these posts. It’s almost as if the show wasn’t over...like somehow still having such strong feelings and arguing about it keeps it alive.

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  • You people are crazy! LOL I’m not denying that I liked Bangel before I began wanting to hurl from all the drama of it… even JW made fun of it in Zippo… I liked Spuffy because it showed us that no one was perfect… that Buffy is not perfect. I am one of the believers that what they had was wrong but necessary. Spuffy was happening more in S7, they acted like they were dating. If there were a S8 *sniff* and Spike hadn’t died I wouldn’t be surprised to see them together. And then it would heve been so right. But JW would’ve found away to ruin it like every single relationship in both shows. NOW, I want you all to know that there is one true pairing…, Spangel!!!! Live for ever!! LOL Joss admitted to it .. all we need now is for the boys to fess up about their one time over a couple of drinks and we may have a visual repeat! *smirk*

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  • lol James Marsters: I was just really good sex.

    Hahah so true, but they were HOT.

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  • With all the quotes. Who knows how old those are. Those could be before, Cangel, before Spuffy, we donot know. Just face it. Buffy and Angel deeply loved eachother (-gags-), but they did love others, it has said so in the show. Like, the only ones i can remember were Cordy and Angel. Ofcourse, the Spuffy at the end of season 7, but noone’s EXACTLY sure about that-although I believe Buffy meant it. You’re bangel shippes, I get that-but omg, don’t be so obsessed that you can’t get over that they eventually moved on. If, say-Angel loved someone after Cordy (which he didn’t), I would be pissed. But, I wouldn’t deny it. SPECIALLY IF HE SAID IT!

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  • The point is that neither Buffy nor Angel ever "moved on." They may have been tempted by others along the way and tried to love again, but they both know in their hearts that they could only ever be truly happy with each other. That’s why Angel could have sex with Nina without losing his soul and that’s why Spike told Buffy she didn’t love him. How can anyone not see that?! Angel and Buffy have the forbidden love of all time. They CAN’T move on. It would be like Romeo and Juliet not killing themselves, but instead at the last minute deciding "Oh, well, he/she is dead, but I can move on and love again."

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  • I’m sorry but I don’t believe that love is ever that cut and dried nor do I believe that you ever only love one person or that only one person is ever true love. Bangle had validity but it was not workable in the long term and in real life you often do not end sailing into the sunset with your first love. I think Bangle ought to be seen as a first love type deal it was intense and both people involved have an unhealthy nostagia for it and geunine feelings for each other which will never die even if they manage to find other people, as Shakespeare said "love is not love which alters when it alteration finds" but they are not destined to be together - live with it Bangles.

    I was also more a fan of Cangle and Spuffy because they didn’t have the swoony quality of first love. In both cases she saw the worst he was capable of (a big problem I have with Bangle revived is that Buffy’s view of Angel is romantised because she never saw him lose it as Angel not Angelius like Cordy did) but understood he was a good guy because he kept fighting against the worst side of nature, learning from the experience to not do it again and become a better man because of it. It was the realistic view that both those couples had of each other - Cordy could say to Angel - I love you but you are being an idiot like she did when she told him not to lie to Connor at the end of s.3 in a way Buffy never could, she was better for him that way. Whilst when Spike said he’d seen the best and worse of Buffy he meant it. I also dislike the venom that some of the militant Bangles have directed at poor Nina, so what if she wasn’t Angel’s true love, if she made him a bit happier then why degrudge your hero that?

    I think you have to take what both actors here have said with a pinch of salt - "they are taking the mick" as we say in London because they are both smart enough not to get as bogged down in this as the rest of us and don’t want to open such a contentious can of worms - like someone else said why should they give a tiny rat’s bum about it.

    I suppose my take on is Andrew’s in "The Girl in Question" Buffy loves them both but feels the need to move on - she’s still baking and good luck to her.

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  • Ring, amulet who cares? so he made a mistake that was years ago and I doubt that David James or even Sarah remember everything that happend in each season! so who cares if he messed up? I am very glad that David is doing other movies! good for him! also now I love James more for agreeing its B/A all the way! (well more or less!)

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  • An actor’s opinion is still only that and if you want to think JM is championing B/A then DB’s comments aren’t exactly giving it a glowing write up. I see both comments as pretty throw away and tongue in check actually. I think they’d both be amused to think we actually were taking them seriously. I was a bit cross with JM at first for giving the B/A shippers yet more reason to believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong but looked at objectively why should he care. You can play the quotes came forever and a day for both sides - but someones opinion is just that - it doesn’t prove much except someone else agrees with you, possibly or might have done at some point. Yes, this does apply to me too.

    At the end of the day we all take our blue pills to some extent and believe whatever we want to. B/A extremists in other debates have accused me of being "arrogant and contemptious of others opinions" because I disagree with them strongly in other debates and quite frankly I think the same about them but it’s really just a side-affect of a "never the twain arguement". Neither side will ever win because there’s isn’t an absolute that exists outside of the minds of the believers on both sides. Love is more complex than the romantic cliques and I see the Buffy/Angel verse and the flame wars over Bangel and Spuffy that exist as proof of that - it’s not all black and white. Grey areas exist.

    Let’s face it people - she not gonna end up with either of them really - the shippers on the other side won’t let her drift off into the sunset with the guy they don’t support and JW is allergic to happy, romantic endings and cliche. If they all find happiness it’ll be with other people possibly just before they die, if they’re lucky :-).

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  • yeah, but the whole Buffy didn’t see Angel fall thing illustrates the fact that she’s been out of his life so long that it be argued she doesn’t really know him anymore. Same for her too - he doesn’t know about all the mistakes she made and mostly he wasn’t the one who was there for her when she needed someone. They’ll always love each other but this doesn’t mean they can or even should be together. Before I get flamed - that’s my opinion and it exists independently of Spuffy and Cangle afflictions - relatively. As Fred and Ginger once sang about their differences of opinion "lets call the whole thing off".

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